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alleycat_126 05-21-2010 04:17 AM
Why not Fat Albert!!!!
 
Anybody paying attention to the Albert Haynesworth drama in Washington. Seems like Fat Albert wants out of Washington on the first train smokin. And I'm just wondering out loud would't he fit our D perfectly, enough mullling around our run d could use a stopper of his caliber and I think we have the pieces to go and bag him. Here's how:

Donovan doesn't have any protection so far we know. we could trade Jamal Brown, and give them next years first round pic ( which will probably be a high draft pick anyway since we will be going back to the playoffs and hopefully beyond.

Start haynesworth, keep Ellis, and Remy and release the rest of the DT

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Cajunraven005 05-21-2010 05:15 AM
Re: Why not Fat Albert!!!!
 
He doesn't want to be a run stopper anymore...he wants to be a pass rusher! I hope Al Woods pans out..........

foreverfan 05-21-2010 07:34 AM
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http://scienceblogs.com/retrospectac.../01/FatDog.jpg

Crusader 05-21-2010 07:36 AM
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No thank you. I think Ellis has the making to become just as disruptive if we just could get him a decent 1-tech to work with. Younger, cheaper and motivated.

saintsfan1976 05-21-2010 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by alleycat126 (Post 226679)

Start haynesworth, keep Ellis, and Remy and release the rest of the DT

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Why release them all? We'll need them when Albert gets injured - he hasn't played a full season....EVER.

If he's not looking for starter money (and how could he after what WA paid him), then sure, he's worth having in the rotation.

strato 05-21-2010 08:20 AM
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If this guy would play..but he wants to sit out games with any bump or bruise he gets...he would be a bad influence on the DTs we already have..

saintsfan1976 05-21-2010 08:35 AM
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Not sure about the bad influence but to me it's all about money. If he presents a certain value, then I'm all for it. The problem with the Skins is that they overpaid the guy and expected the world.

strato 05-21-2010 08:38 AM
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Im sure of the bad influence...after the interview i heard with Vonnie Holiday on Sirius the other day...his teammates are starting to grow tired of his antics..honor your contract fatboy...He is a drama queen...do we want that?.

saintsfan1976 05-21-2010 08:49 AM
Re: Why not Fat Albert!!!!
 
Like I said, it's their own fault for signing him to that amount of money.

My point is that he wasn't capable of playing to their expectations.

So, now he wants out. So what, it happens all the time - just ask Al Davis!

strato 05-21-2010 08:54 AM
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He is more than capable of playing ..just wants to whine...do you want that fat contract...and then next year he wants out or better yet after we get into the playoffs?...pass ..we would be better off snagging John Henderson and using the rotation we have...

saintsfan1976 05-21-2010 09:10 AM
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Moot point bc there's no way Washington will be able to move him anyway.

But after reading this, I learned more about his "status" with DC...lol!!

Maybe it's time to add a drama queen smilie. HA!!

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The Washington Redskins gave Albert Haynesworth(notes) a seven-year, $100 million contract with $41 million guaranteed before the 2009 season, and they probably assumed that they were paying enough to have Haynesworth play in whatever defensive scheme the team wanted without argument. Not so, of course. When Mike Shanahan hired defensive coordinator Jim Haslett in the offseason, and Haslett started installing his preferred 3-4 defense, Haynesworth balked, knowing that the move from the 4-3 would affect his stats. Defensive tackles in a 4-3 are able to attack more often because there are more people in the base formation. In a 3-4, Haynesworth's job will be to hold the point for other people, and that's true whether he plays the nose tackle or jumps out to an end position. Now, he would not be the focus -- he'd be tying up blockers for Brian Orakpo(notes) and Andre Carter(notes).
The Redskins knew full well that Haynesworth was unhappy, and paid his $21 million option bonus in April without incident -- surely they were hoping that it would all blow over. It hasn't. Haynesworth has skipped all of the Redskins' minicamps and OTAs, choosing instead to work out near his Nashville home. "I'm disappointed he's not here. Absolutely," team owner Dan Snyder told the Washington Post last week. "We're expecting our players to lead by example, and we're expecting our players to understand that they're Redskins and they need to be here."
The Redskins have made moves to augment a 3-4 line -- they traded for Rams defender Adam Carriker(notes), the former Nebraska standout who was always out of place in St. Louis' base 4-3. At 6-6 and 300 pounds, Carriker has the perfect technique and body style to project as a 34 end. And Monday, it was announced that the team came to terms with veteran Vonnie Holiday. The 34-year-old was one of the NFL's more productive 3-4 ends last season, racking up five sacks for the Denver Broncos at a position where quarterback takedowns aren't all that common. The Carriker and Holliday moves would seem to trap Haynesworth inside, exactly where he doesn't want to be.
But according to SI.com's Ross Tucker, the Holliday acquisition indicated that Haynesworth is on the outs, and that trade talks with the Minnesota Vikings are still in play. It makes sense in many ways -- the Vikings run the 4-3 that Haynesworth prefers, the Redskins have already paid so much of the contract, and the Redskins may think that it's worth it to be rid of the disruptive influence from a declining player. Not to mention the fact that tackles Kevin and Pat Williams(notes) will start the season on the bench if they are required to serve four-game suspensions as a result of their roles in the StarCaps case. Don't be surprised if the Redskins go forward without the biggest (and perhaps most regrettable) free-agent signing in team history.

SapperSaint 05-21-2010 01:19 PM
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Man that is a fat dog!

Rugby Saint II 05-21-2010 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by SapperSaint (Post 226743)
Man that is a fat dog!
Ha! Are you talking about your avatar? That guy was great in the Water boy. What was his name?

Papa Voodoo 05-21-2010 02:20 PM
Re: Why not Fat Albert!!!!
 
Brown and a 1st for Albert is WAY too much

Cruize 05-21-2010 02:24 PM
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Brown for Haynesworth. Two problems solved. It's not about stats for Haynesworth as the article implied. In the 3-4 at NT, he would be facing double teams on every play, instead of the occasional double team in the 4-3. That would shorten his career and make it almost a certainty that he wouldn't recieve the full benefits of his contract. He's using the only leverage he has. Veterans do it all the time for one reason or another. He would instantly make the DL of the Saints a force. And with only one quality LB in Vilma, it would make Shanle's and whoever lines up in SLB this season jobs much easier.

SaintPauly 05-21-2010 04:38 PM
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Farmer Fran wasn't it? He likes to see homo's naked.... :)

foreverfan 05-21-2010 09:05 PM
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You know what you call that fat dog?


Nothing... he ain't coming anyway.

VillainAgain 05-21-2010 09:14 PM
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welcome new guy, i regret to inform you that we've already discussed this in deep detail, please use search bar for enlightenment. If your lazy then I say this; The idea of a wide body is nice to have on defense I usually give players the benefit of the doubt, i understand where Fat boy is comming from. HELL NO @ giving up Jamaal Brown and a 1st for Albert, we could have had him for a 3rd why have a fire sale?

strato 05-21-2010 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by VillainAgain (Post 226877)
welcome new guy, i regret to inform you that we've already discussed this in deep detail, please use search bar for enlightenment. If your lazy then I say this; The idea of a wide body is nice to have on defense I usually give players the benefit of the doubt, i understand where Fat boy is comming from. HELL NO @ giving up Jamaal Brown and a 1st for Albert, we could have had him for a 3rd why have a fire sale?
Choup is that you..lol...

realheavyd 05-21-2010 10:03 PM
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I'll tell you why not. He has a terrible work ethic. Namely none, take the money, and take as much money as you possibly can. Why would you want to add that kind of an attitude to a team first, nothing but positive mindset locker room that is obviously the best in the whole league. Why do you think the Saints are World Champs anyway?

QBREES9 05-21-2010 10:06 PM
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Cost to much money and doesn't play every play. No thanks

CantonLegend 05-22-2010 03:15 AM
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jammal brown is better at LT than albert haynesworth is at DT

LT is of much bigger importance than DT so that makes Brown even more valuable

i wouldnt trade brown for anybody in the league right now....especially considering how poorly bushrod played last season

ArmySaintFan 05-22-2010 03:35 AM
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Originally Posted by alleycat126 (Post 226679)
Start haynesworth, keep Ellis, and Remy and release the rest of the DT

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SO CUT HARGROVE?? I KINDA LIKE HIM

VillainAgain 05-22-2010 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by strato (Post 226879)
Choup is that you..lol...
LMAO, Nope no Choup's in here just us Villains

TheDeuce 05-22-2010 10:58 AM
Re: Why not Fat Albert!!!!
 
I really wanted Haynesworth two years ago, but now I've come to learn that those concerns about him actually not playing once he got his money are absolutely true. This guy is a cancer... no thanks.

homerj07 05-23-2010 11:32 AM
Re: Why not Fat Albert!!!!
 
WHip him intosahpe & get the right rice (not a #1)

gandhi1007 05-23-2010 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by CantonLegend (Post 226929)
jammal brown is better at LT than albert haynesworth is at DT

LT is of much bigger importance than DT so that makes Brown even more valuable

i wouldnt trade brown for anybody in the league right now....especially considering how poorly bushrod played last season

Didn't we win a Super Bowl ring w/ Bushrod at LT & end the year w/ less false start & holding penalties than the previous year??? I'll say it again.... Brown is the most overrated offensive lineman in the league. The proof is in the pudding, so to speak. No Brown last year.....Super Bowl ring, less penalties, less sacks & QB hurries. Case closed! And don't try to use depth as an issue. We have depth & we just drafted another high caliber LT in Charles Brown.

Here's the thing.... if Haynesworth wants to wear black & gold for the right amount of money, I'd give the 'skins Brown in a heartbeat. Think about it..... the problem Sedrick Ellis has is that he is double teamed alot. You put Haynesworth in the middle with him & havoc will be wreaked by one of the two, because fat or not.....both of those guys are top tier DT's.

CantonLegend 05-23-2010 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by gandhi1007 (Post 227089)
Didn't we win a Super Bowl ring w/ Bushrod at LT
yes.....but was it because of bushrod? if your answer is no then this argument is bs

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& end the year w/ less false start & holding penalties than the previous year???
prove this statement

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I'll say it again.... Brown is the most overrated offensive lineman in the league. The proof is in the pudding, so to speak. No Brown last year.....Super Bowl ring, less penalties, less sacks & QB hurries.
the bolded is just a flat out lie......idk if you are trying to mislead readers but thats what you are doing.....its obvious you have a bias against brown but dont state opinions or just plain wrong statements as facts

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Case closed! And don't try to use depth as an issue. We have depth & we just drafted another high caliber LT in Charles Brown.
depth? we have depth....how would that be an issue? we drafted a pass blocking LT that seems to struggle a lot in run blocking

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Think about it..... the problem Sedrick Ellis has is that he is double teamed alot. You put Haynesworth in the middle with him & havoc will be wreaked by one of the two, because fat or not.....both of those guys are top tier DT's.
agreed.....but a player that has an impact on 1 out of 3 defensive plays is not as important as a player that makes an impact on every single play and is grouped in the elite category of the most important positions on any football team in the league

gandhi1007 05-23-2010 07:05 PM
Re: Why not Fat Albert!!!!
 
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Originally Posted by CantonLegend (Post 227094)
yes.....but was it because of bushrod? if your answer is no then this argument is bs



prove this statement



the bolded is just a flat out lie......idk if you are trying to mislead readers but thats what you are doing.....its obvious you have a bias against brown but dont state opinions or just plain wrong statements as facts



depth? we have depth....how would that be an issue? we drafted a pass blocking LT that seems to struggle a lot in run blocking



agreed.....but a player that has an impact on 1 out of 3 defensive plays is not as important as a player that makes an impact on every single play and is grouped in the elite category of the most important positions on any football team in the league

Okay.....here we go again. In 2008, Jammal Brown led the league in holding penalties. We also know that he is the King of the false start penalty. See link below. Statement proved.

Smarter Stats: Penalties for Potential Playoff Teams - The League at washingtonpost.com

As for as opinions go. Yes.... IMHO Jammal Brown is very overrated.

As for Jammal Brown making an impact on every single play......laughable. Go get your commemorative Saints March to the Super Bowl video. You obviously missed the season. Brown sat the pine all year w/ injury & we won a Super Bowl w/ Bushrod at LT. How's that for impact? Now....Haynesworth, on the right team, with the right help & defensive coordinator can make an impact on every play. Just saying..... did you forget his dominance before going to Washington? I mean, c'mon.... as of the last 10 years, isn't Washington the place where big name elite players go to become mediocre? Think of all the guys that were considered elite that went there lately & just didn't have the kind of impact they did before (or after) going to Washington.

strato 05-24-2010 12:29 AM
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Originally Posted by gandhi1007 (Post 227089)
Didn't we win a Super Bowl ring w/ Bushrod at LT & end the year w/ less false start & holding penalties than the previous year??? I'll say it again.... Brown is the most overrated offensive lineman in the league. The proof is in the pudding, so to speak. No Brown last year.....Super Bowl ring, less penalties, less sacks & QB hurries. Case closed! And don't try to use depth as an issue. We have depth & we just drafted another high caliber LT in Charles Brown.

Here's the thing.... if Haynesworth wants to wear black & gold for the right amount of money, I'd give the 'skins Brown in a heartbeat. Think about it..... the problem Sedrick Ellis has is that he is double teamed alot. You put Haynesworth in the middle with him & havoc will be wreaked by one of the two, because fat or not.....both of those guys are top tier DT's.
Sorry Canton ..but he brings up a good point..if Hayneworth was next to Ellis..can u imagine the D Line?...lol...with that said..we aint getting A.H..he will pout for awhile then play for the forskins....But if that big azz DT were to come to us and play like he is capable i would give them Brown and a pot of Gumbo sha....:bng:

CantonLegend 05-24-2010 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by gandhi1007 (Post 227100)
Okay.....here we go again. In 2008, Jammal Brown led the league in holding penalties.
WRONG.....flozell adams led the league in holding penalties

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We also know that he is the King of the false start penalty. See link below. Statement proved.

Smarter Stats: Penalties for Potential Playoff Teams - The League at washingtonpost.com
this link is full of incomplete data and your statement of being king of false start penalties? how many false starts did he have? once you show me and prove to me that he is a penalty machine then i will concede my argument...until then i have rebuttle for you to chew on

in '08 we passed the ball more than any other team ever has.....brown only allowed 3 sacks(2.5)......during that season he also had 7 holding penalties.....bushrod accounted for 8 sacks all by himself and i have no idea how many penalties he ammassed

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As for Jammal Brown making an impact on every single play......laughable. Go get your commemorative Saints March to the Super Bowl video. You obviously missed the season. Brown sat the pine all year w/ injury & we won a Super Bowl w/ Bushrod at LT. How's that for impact?
the LT is a vital part of every team on every single offensive play.....whereas a DT only makes an impact when the ball is forced his way

LTs are involved in every play......DTs are crucial to success, but they dont have the impact that LTs have simply because LTs protect the most important piece on a team and because they have to do it every play

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Now....Haynesworth, on the right team, with the right help & defensive coordinator can make an impact on every play.
lol nope.....no matter how good haynesworth was....he didnt have that kind of impact.....his career high in tackles in '08 was only 7 more than ellis had this year.....and he was hurt for several games

8.5 sacks is very nice.....but remember that haynesworth only averages 3.5 sacks per season......only .5 more than ellis

gandhi1007 05-24-2010 07:15 PM
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Canton......If you watch Saints games, then you already know that Jammal Brown is prone to false start penalties..... and holding penalties for that matter. Is he good.....YES. Is he elite.....NO.

As for the argument & comparison of Haynesworth to Ellis..... you only further prove my point. Give either the compliment of the other & we both know that production will go up. You cannot double team both DT's!

skymike 05-25-2010 04:30 PM
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this image has been RESIZED! HAHAHAHAHAHA!
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Originally Posted by foreverfan (Post 226692)

SaintPauly 05-25-2010 06:19 PM
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I feel so sorry for that dog. He looks absolutely miserable. The owner should be flogged...

saintfan 05-25-2010 06:22 PM
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There are at least two lit joints on the ground behind the dog (upper left), which is probably why the poor thing is so big. "The Munchies" will do that to you.

SaintPauly 05-25-2010 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by saintfan (Post 227414)
There are at least two lit joints on the ground behind the dog (upper left), which is probably why the poor thing is so big. "The Munchies" will do that to you.
I notice a guitar case to his right as well. Must be a hippie dog....


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