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Prior to the opening of the season, I asked everyone here if this team is prepared to play this season. No one replied. Now I ask... Is this team properly prepared to play each Sunday. Why isn't Brooks being coached to improve his game. Why are there glaring problems with offensive production, defensive woes and abominable play calling. I'll tell you why..... there are leaders in the organization who are not leading. Game management is poor, people are unwilling to address the problems as they arise. Until someone grabs the reins of this organization run amoc and gets back on track we may as well pull out the paper bags. Under achieving is ugly!!! Especially for milionaire superstars.

Disgustedly yours,

BTS

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Brooks isn\'t being coached because he\'s a malcontent with the ego the size of Texas.

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One thing I haven\'t thought of until I read this thread was the possibility that Brooks is actually being over-coached - not under coached.

Consider this: Brooks was a better QB when he had come in after Blake went down than he is now after he\'s had 3 offseasons to prepare. His numbers weren\'t fantastic in 2000 but, they were good and he\'s never posted a better rating since.

Why? Because McCarthy is trying to make brooks into a certain type of QB instead of accentuating his positives.

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ScottyRo ,

Have you worked over the thought that Brooks benefitted from the veteran quarterback leadership that Blake provided while he was there ??? When Blake was there , Brooks had the option to talk to an experienced quarterback and get his insight .

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That\'s a definite possibility, but Blake was there in 2001 too and that didn\'t seem to help Brooks all that much. I\'m sure they weren\'t exactly best-friends that year, regardless of what they might have said publicly, though. However, I think highly of Blake and I think that he did everything he could to help Aaron even if all the while that help was keeping Brooks on the field at Blake\'s expense.

The fact is that there are dozens, if not hundreds, of factors that come into play in situations like this and we\'ll never be able to nail one single factor down as THE reason. I just wanted to throw \"over-coached\" out as a possibility.

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Wrong on both accounts. Brooks did well his first year because D\'s didn\'t know how to defend him. Brooks also played with careless abandon. Did you also consider how EASY our schedule as that firs year? He lost to all the good teams we faced, except the Rams who he did lose one to. He lost to Oakland, Denver and the Rams all good teams who forced him to make throws consistantly.

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That\'s an interesting concept. But how do you explain him beating these teams last year?

1. Tampa (twice) playoff team.
2. 49\'ers - playoff team.
3. Green Bay - playoff team.
4. Carolina - #2 defense.

That\'s off the top of my head but there were 4 more teams?

How did he throw for 27 TD\'s last year, if they had him figured out??

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Wrong on all 3. Aaron didn\'t lose to Oakland. As I recall that was the game in which Blake was injured and we were already behind when Aaorn came in. You can\'t really pin that one to him.

The Denver loss was the one in which the defense was asleep most of the game and let Mike Anderson run for over 200 yards. It\'s hard to say that was AB\'s fault.

As far as the Rams go...I\'d think you\'d have pretty tough time finding anyone that would say the 2000 Rams defense forced any quarterback to make throws consistently. They were pathetic. They won that final game because 1) they had to win to make the playoffs and 2) their offense was nearly unstoppable. Faulk killed us in that game, but I thought the score was fairly close. Maybe 31 - 24? Again, you can\'t really fault Aaron for the defense giving up the points.

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Point taken ScottyRo, but I still say that Brooks is a big liability. I agree in your assessment of D.Green. Hopefully, Haz will stink it up and be out the door.

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I ment to add pittsburg to to last post, also a playoff team, but with Kordell still playing when the Saints beat.

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That\'s an interesting concept. But how do you explain him beating these teams last year?

1. Tampa (twice) playoff team.
2. 49\'ers - playoff team.
3. Green Bay - playoff team.
4. Carolina - #2 defense.


Simple

Tampa , Carolina and Green Bay all play a kind of umbrella defense .

Strong front 4\'s used to apply pressure And the safeties play for deep zone and the corners are man coverage . Tampa is notorious for sitting in cover 2 all day long. These defenses leave a soft underbelly which caters to Brooks play style .

Teams that give Brooks a fit and challenge his quarterbacking skills are the ones that safety blitz and keep the safeties up . Atlanta , Lions and Bungles ....

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08-- That\'s an interesting concept too......

But how do you explain Brooks beating these teams last year??

1. Baltimore
2. Washington
3. Pittsburg

Hey 08 -- When you are done explaining that to me, maybe you can explain how Brooks put up 35 points aganist Atlanta? Wasn\'t Atlanta\'s defense the one you just said gives Brooks trouble. Certainly 35 points should have been enough to beat the Falcons huh? How about against Minnesota? He put up 31 on them !! What was the problem there? You have been discredited and now you may be dismissed. School is out !!


10/27 35-37 L ATL
12/15 31-32 L MIN

08-- Here are Brooks numbers against the loss to the Falcons last year. He completed 64.5% of his passes for 2TD\'s and 1 int. Looks like he did pretty damn good to me. Why don\'t you give the good people of this board some ACCURATE information instead of just making STUFF up?

SAINTS --17 FALCONS -- 24
PASSING
CP/AT YDS TD INT
A. Brooks 20/31 279 2 1

Deuce McAllister
att yards long
13 43 0 9

Here\'s Aaron\'s numbers against the Bengals. Look ok to me. Looks like Deuce had another bad day though.

Saints -- 13 Bengals --20
CP/AT YDS TD INT
A. Brooks 16/38 203 1 0

RUSHING
ATT YDS TD LG
D. McAllister 15 26 0 5





[Edited on 11/10/2003 by BillyCarpenter1]

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alright since you like the Falcons 24 - 17 game lets take that one ....



PASSING
CP/AT YDS AVG TD INT
Aaron Brooks 20/31 279 9.00 2 1

RUSHING
ATT YDS AVG LG TD
Deuce McAllister 13 43 3.3 9 0
Aaron Brooks 5 26 5.2 8 0
James Fenderson 2 13 6.5 9 0
Donte\' Stallworth 1 -2 -2.0 -2 0
Team 21 80 3.8 24 0

RECEIVING
REC YDS AVG TD LG
Joe Horn 3 134 44.7 1 63
Jerome Pathon 7 48 6.9 0 15
Boo Williams 2 38 19.0 0 20
Deuce McAllister 4 30 7.5 0 14
Donte\' Stallworth 2 18 9.0 1 12
David Sloan 1 6 6.0 0 6
James Fenderson 1 5 5.0 0 5
Team 20 279 14.0 2 63


Look how many times Brooks ran for his life .

Aaron Brooks 5 26 5.2 8 0

How many times was Duece used as a safety valve .

Deuce McAllister 4 30 7.5 0 14

How many times did Beerman shorten the field for Brooks ???

63 of those yards for Brooks good day are from Horn getting behind one of those safeties .

Your point is Billy ????

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08 -- My point is that you are wrong.