I've seen ugly and that wasn't even close.

How many turnovers do the Saints have in the last two games?

They're 2-0

Try and act like it, fairweather fans.

Believe. Have faith. Two dat.

All you "Hey we're 2-0" people...Tampa is 2-0 too. There is a difference. Would Tampa be 2-0 versus the Vikings and the 49ers? Not very likely. Then again, that's not really the point.

It doesn't take a grown up (although I'm 41 and not 14) to see how we struggled against the run and in pass protection and in run blocking...in fact we got owned on both sides of the line. Regardless of someone's age, those that fail to see that aren't paying attention - but you can bet your 2-0 asses that coach noticed. That was an ugly win, and I'd be willing to bet the entire Saints team would agree. You have to win those too, which we did, because we're good, but there is no excuse for how we played, especially on defense.

Believing, having faith, and being optimistic have next to nothing to do with reality.

Of course we could very well go undefeated this year, but we better score 30+ points a game.

I think maybe you missed the point. Saying that someone could not be very old was meant to point-out that you must not have been around when the 9'ers were doing the exact same thing to us...and then going on to the playoffs because they won those games and we didn't.

It is so gratifying to me to see us come out ahead in these types of games...which you will always see, because rarely does a team become so dominant that they don't have some squeakers or clinkers...and not the other way around.

Again, if you'd witnessed those losses, then you couldn't think of these wins as anything but beautiful, IMO.

Totally agree and not just games against the 9ers either. Even though beating them in a sweaker does put neosporin on those old wounds!

We are the same team we were last year!

Clowns...

What are yall talking about. We had games we were about to lose and big plays gave us the win.

Did you see any of the games last year?

Ditto . . . There were more than a couple that we came from behind to win. In fact I was of the mindset that we had to get behind to motivates us . . . as another post says "Saints Find a Way to Win"

Saw every one of them numerous times, slo-mo and everything.

Not once was our O-line AND D-line manhandled like they were against the 49ers.

If you didn't notice that, you need to watch more football.

Yeah so far it looks to be the case. I have confidence that GW and Payton will get it fixed though.

The good news is that we didn't look good at all, but still got the win, and even on the road. Thats what championship teams do.

I love the win. I even enjoy how we won, as Steve Young stated, because historically we lose those games. That doesn't change the fact that we got the hell kicked out of us up and down the field all night long. My devotion to this team will never be measured on me calling it like I see it - in fact like most saw it. Being happy about the win while acknowledging that we got our asses handed to us and that we were extremely fortunate doesn't make me a band wagoner, a fair weather fan, or in any way indicate my age.

I expect we'll get better. I hope so for sure. If not I'll be right back here Sunday griping about piss-poor blocking and tackling all over again.

We just played bad football in challenging road conditions(wind played a big factor in the score imo) and we still came away with the win against a decent team with a solid defense.

Conclusion - We're a pretty damn good football team.

You can win big or you can win ugly... it's going to mean 0 difference as long as we get to the playoffs. Tampa, Baltimore, etc. played some ugly UGLY football then they won the Superbowl... so what? We can't expect to go out there and dominate every football game... this isn't peewee league football.

Next up... the Dirty Birds in the Dome. :bng:

Sorry SaintsLB, I've got to go the other way on this one. Its because I watched us self destruct so much week in and week out, that I'm calling for a ban on Saints ugly wins and object on the grounds that ugly wins, sooner rather than later, will morph into ugly losses. Why even walk that line? Why live on the edge when its possible put teams away early and remove the possiblilty of bad calls or mis-timed penalties affecting the outcome of the ballgame. If they cross their T's and dot their I's, and tackle as if they've been playing ball since their N.O.R.D. days, they can make it easier on themselves (we'd kind of enjoy it too).

Disagree. San Francisco should have won that game and would have if they were a more seasoned team. My point is that if we play that way against a team that knows what it's doing more than just a few times we might not even reach the playoffs.

And yes, I know that's drastic, and I certainly believe we are a playoff caliber team and a Super Bowl contender, but I am a bit surprised at the apparent willingness of the majority to simply blow it off. We sucked hard on Monday and got manhandled. I betcha Sean had a few words with the team about tacking and blocking whether he confesses it to the media or not.

What exactly are you disagreeing about? I said the weather played a factor in the score... and I believe it did. I said whether you dominate or win ugly, you still chalk it up as a win... and it is. I said we played bad football and still won... which is exactly what happened. I said we're a good football team... and I believe we are.

I think it's more or less of you thinking I'm blowing this game off as just one of those games... which in some way, I am. It's one game. Now if this were to become an ongoing trend, then maybe I'd start panicking... but it's one game. We all saw what happened out there... and we all know we're better than that which is why I'm not concerned(at least yet after 1 game).

For me this game just shows me that we're capable of being human and still win football games. Now would I like for the score like this all the time, heck no... but it happens to the best of them.

People keep calling it an ugly win. This one was about poor blocking and tackling. San Francisco let us off the hook. Anybody here think Peyton Manning would?

It isn't like we won in spite of ourselves. San Francisco lost in spite of themselves, and there is a difference.

Because it was an ugly win... and the poor blocking and tackling made it so. San Fran couldn't capitalize... that's their problem not ours. Would Peyton let us off the hook? Most likely not... but we weren't playing against the Colts and if we were to play against them, I'd expect us to play much better than what we did in San Fran.

In spite of us playing bad football, we made the plays in the end to win the game. You're making it seem like they gave us the win.

you have said everything i wanted to post halo. plus saying that i had a great time in the live chat monday night. i had a few chevas's going and i really hope i did'nt say bad crap. it was hilarious at times. i am a fan always will be, i'm not going back there to see if i did say anything negative. been there for them sinse 1967. st t

thankyou saintfan for clearing that up. i'm with you on this and it does'nt make you or i a bandwagoneer. we have problems on defense, we don't on offense as long as drew is the cap-e-tan.

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The one thing I have noticed is that if the Saints don't have to get points, they don't. Usually we would have wasted the 49ers by taking advantage of the TO's, but we didnt.
But when we absolutely have to get points the Saints always do. The last 2 minute drive looked like the drives we had most of last year. I wonder if something happens differently when the team is desperate for points? Wonder if we are actually playing teams instead of just playing our game? ..I dont know.

Ahh, but they DID capitalize. With 2 minutes left on the clock they gashed us severely (as they did for most of the game) and scored (along with a 2pt conversion) in under a minute. Regardless of the outcome that is a problem. They turned the ball over FOUR times and we STILL needed a last ditch drive (that we were fortunate to get and one that we got through no effort on our own and one that a better team won't give us) to eek it out. You may disagree. To each his own. I see a team do that to us and I'm hacked off about it.

We made plays in the end because SF screwed up and left us enough time to do so. A veteran QB and maybe a better HC wouldn't have left that much time on the clock.

And they did give us the win...or let me rephrase. They wrapped it up for us. We did have to open the package. A better team shows us no love a'tall.

Nobody says you have to be upset about how we played. Go right on. I'm pretty hacked off at how we played. We disagree.

You'll feel much better next week. ;)

I certainly hope so, because Atlanta doesn't suck. I don't need 4 turnovers to make me happy (although they do make me happy). I'm quite willing to settle for a 3 and out here and there.

I heard that last week:)

I agree with DbL.

OK...if we win, will that be good enough, or do we have to win pretty? I can say without any reservation that if we get the W next week I will be happy...no matter how it happens.

To revisit AD just one more time...

"Just win, baby!"

I, for one, never lost faith, but I did recognize that we were getting abused on defense. Is a win enough? Every time, but that doesn't mean I will bliss out and ignore the problems I saw with my own eyes.

Yep agree with both of you. Tho I would also add that no team in the NFL will ever be perfectly built. Even the 72 Dolphins would not be able to repeat their undefeated season if they had to do it over again.

Saints will always have weaknesses and strengths no matter how good they are. There will always be a need for improvement in every area. Even after are 43 consecutive Super Bowl win.

well except for Brees. I heard he is made of white chocolate, breaths out oxygen to better the planet, and vacations at mount olympus.

Odd Ball said enough of the negative waves.

I've said it since last season.
Too bad we can't trade whiney fans for a player.

If we play like we did Monday that defeat might happen this Sunday.

I have a feeling Payton and Gregg Williams saw what most of us saw and will not be happy this week.

Its gonna be a rough week at practice.

Well bro- honestly- I don't like the way we have played. I understood first game- offense still finding it's rhythm, and I knew we would get everything the 49ers had, and we did, but I get the feeling we are treading water, and the first loss is only a matter of time. We don't feel like the team who won the SB or the team that played so well the first half of last season. I feel like we are more the team during the middle of the season last year that had all the injuries. Only difference- we don't have a bunch of injuries.

I'm not going anywhere, and I love this team, but the fact is we need to come out and play some inspired ball and look good doing it. I hope it is this week in our house.

The close games do not bother me ( a win is a win is a win!), but the offense does not look good right now- and that scares the hell out of me. I hope we are going to find our rhythm soon!

I think SP and GW will have this team ready. We saw what they can do in the first and last drives of the SF game. We know it's there. They will be ready and they will come out and shock the Dirty Birds and the whole National Football League.

Saints 42 - Falcons 17

And it's too bad that you are still here.

Trivia question?

How long does it take an NFL team's fan base to get spoiled?

I'm guessing about 7 months.

Read my blog title "lossers to mental"

"Always with you Moriaraty with the negative waves!" "Woof, WOOF, WOOF"

Couldn't help it...Had to post it. One of my favorite movies!

inside our hooch in Iraq 2005.

Cool! Did you keep $16 Million in gold in the middle of the floor? LOL

My wife gave me the DVD last Christmas. Now I can watch it any time I want.

ROTFLMAO!

I don't think the 10 day spread between the 1st & 2nd games helped. It was too long in between contact and disrupted our rythm. It was too early in the season to have those many days off in between games. I believe the short week will help us. It's way too early to get negative. This year, teams are gunning for them and it will be a tough season. Staying focused and not panincing will pay off.