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dizzle88 11-07-2010 03:46 PM

Our Defense
 
These guys flat out come to play every week, it was great to have Greer back and it showed with the pick 6. We can do a little bit better at stopping the run, but our run D is miles ahead of what they were last year.
I like the aggressiveness that GW is dialing up, we seem to get consistent pressure on the QB, and I've said it once and I'll keep saying it, as long as Sharper is in the secondary - turnovers are created, he made a great hit on Stewart to force the fumble, gotta love how our D is playing right now!
You guys agree?

Turbo Saint 11-07-2010 03:49 PM

i completely agree....

canton, where ya't? :P

73Saint 11-07-2010 03:49 PM

Absolutely. I've been saying our D looks good. We play hard. I want to know about Sharper's Hammy. And Jenkins. I didn't see him return, but it didn't look too serious.

saintsfan1976 11-07-2010 03:50 PM

Pretty much agree.

A healthy defense primes us for a playoff run.

|Mitch| 11-07-2010 03:55 PM

I agree! Defense is playing very well. Even when they stick in a non starter, they all seem to step up their game.
Torrence for example; got his first career interception last week and then got a sack late in the 4th today.

|Mitch| 11-07-2010 06:09 PM

I guess all those interceptions and pick-sixes from last year that Sharper ran back were just "cleaning up" as you put it?

saintsfan1976 11-07-2010 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr Magic (Post 260164)
You guys love to heap the praise on Sharper. Three or four guys held Stewart up and Sharper got a cheap blind side hit on him.

Jenkins actually made that play. Sharper cleaned it up as always.

Sharper's nickname should be "The Clean Up Man", because that's what he does is clean up after other guys make plays.

What about all those horrible open field missed tackles by Sharper today?

Sed Ellis played out of his mind today. Good job D, but still some work to be done.

Give credit where credit is due. Sharper makes the defense better. How many more INT's, fumble recoveries and TD's did he have last season??? And how many do we have this season before he returned - and after...???

And you can't call it a "cheap blind side hit" anyway - Stewart wasn't even on the ground. That was a head's up play to lay the wood when he needed to.

You call it "cheap", I call it "opportunistic". :bng:

saintsfan1976 11-07-2010 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr Magic (Post 260167)
Actually yes, he feasted on rookie and inexperience qb's:

Stafford, Sanchez, Kolb had to account for 6 of those 9 picks alone.

Oh PUH-LEEEZ Nancy... :rolleyes:

Go ahead and make your point now - You saying Sharper is overrated??? :brood:

|Mitch| 11-07-2010 06:16 PM

I'll take his experience at the FS spot, over Jenkins any day. You can't argue 14 years of getting it done wherever he played.

saintsfan1976 11-07-2010 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 260166)
Give credit where credit is due. Sharper makes the defense better. How many INT's, fumble recoveries and TD's did he have last season??? And how many do we have this season before he returned - and after...???

And you can't call it a "cheap blind side hit" anyway - Stewart wasn't even on the ground. That was a head's up play to lay the wood when he needed to.

You call it "cheap", I call it "opportunistic". :bng:

Like I said......

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Magic (Post 260176)
No, Sharper is a good player and i like him. He's just not the amazing playmaker he's made out to be. He benefits from playing in GW's opportunisitc defense.

Sharper misses alot of open field tackles but everyone overlooks that.

Okay, show me where Sharper misses more open field tackles than any other FS.

And I don't think anyone here is anointing him MVP of the team... Shaper is an elite FS who does thrive in GW's system because he gets to play FS - something he didn't do in Minnesota.


IF you wanna knock a player down a notch, let's look somewhere else.

saintsfan1976 11-07-2010 06:57 PM

Bottom line: Williams can do more WITH Sharper in than WITHOUT.

darstep 11-07-2010 06:58 PM

The defense played well. I still don't like the missed tackles by any of these guys. The defense has carried us all year, and we are lookiing a lot better as our starters begin to return. The offense will look more crisp also when Bush and PT get back. Get some rest this week, let some more ailments heal, and then lets go on a 7-game run.

QBREES9 11-07-2010 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by strato (Post 260133)
Can'ton MIA?..


Is he watching the Browns, just kidding. Second year under Gregg Williams

niteadept 11-07-2010 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by strato (Post 260175)
:popcorn:

HAHAHAHAHA Strato!!!!!!!

I'll take my chances with Sharper. He does "thrive" under GW and quite possibly only has a couple more years left at best. Stop hating on Sharper. I LOVE all dem boys! Because with all of the Saints, we remain the WORLD CHAMPIONS. Oh and by the way, I was there. Mr. Magic, you didn't see him back there away from the camera eye. The excitement he exudes, makes me wanna run out there with him!:fanclub:
NASTY.

saintfan 11-07-2010 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Magic (Post 260176)
No, Sharper is a good player and i like him. He's just not the amazing playmaker he's made out to be. He benefits from playing in GW's opportunisitc defense.

Sharper misses alot of open field tackles but everyone overlooks that.

Thing is, the other people that have played in his absence haven't benefited as well as he has. The man is a playmaker's playmaker. Period. Being in the right place at the right time is not an accident or luck. It's pretty clear to me that we are a better defense when he is on the field. I don't have to look too far beyond that.

Crusader 11-08-2010 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by strato (Post 260293)

I read about a page of that crap, got stupider and had to stop. There has to be something in the Magna Carta or Geneva convention or something that ban people from being that stupid.

saintsfan1976 11-08-2010 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr Magic (Post 260342)

The only thing I agree with those tools is that the hit was dirty. Stewart was defenseless and Sharper went for the head. By definition of the new rules it's a dirty hit. Sharper's pockets will be a little lighter this week. I wouldn't be surprised if the Sharper fan club sent money to him to help pay the fine. Only in America will people send money to a guy who has millions to pay a fine. They would do that but wouldn't give the bum on the streets a few dollars to buy a meal.



:rolleyes: Oh, here you go, again...

A. Sharper lead with his shoulder, not his helmet. There was helmet to helmet contact, but Sharper's head was up and looking at his target.

B. Stewart was the friggin ball-carrier for crying out loud!! Not like he was "defenseless". Sharper was aiming to jar the ball loose - you know, something all players do...

C. Stewart wasn't down. No knee, no elbow, nothing. If you remember the call was reversed to a fumble.


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Choupique 11-08-2010 09:32 AM

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Sharper misses alot of open field tackles
What a load of horse manure.


He has missed a few, NOT a lot.

A lot is two words, not one.

dizzle88 11-08-2010 09:49 AM

I don't mean to sound offensive to you in any way mr magic, but seriously you call sharper the guy that "cleans up after people make plays", Sharpers hit caused that fumble, porter and vilma wrapped up and sharper forced the ball loose. Stewart was not defenseless, AND you are taught on defense to never let extra yards, stewart was going to fall forward and every NFL defense will gang tackle a player to stop him gaining more yards, sharper just has enought wits about him to not lead with the head, except with the shoulder and put a great hit on.
Do you think Sharpers hit of Faulk vs Patriots last year was dirty? because that was the best hit i've seen in a while, c'mon dude our D is playing lights out, sure the whole D deserves a lot of credit especially D line and LB, but the truth is, when sharper is in there great things happen.

saintsfan1976 11-08-2010 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr Magic (Post 260393)
Who wants to bet old hoss here will start a thread to help pay if Sharper's fined?

So....Care to respond to any of the facts that have been presented in opposition to your "arguments"? Or will you just keep on throwing out wild, baseless, accusations?

Maybe you should stick to funny pictures of cats and leave the debates to the big boys.

Not 'smack talk', just a :goodidea:

saintfan 11-08-2010 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Choupique (Post 260397)
What a load of horse manure.


Well, if there's one person who would recognize a load of horse manure...

11toby 11-08-2010 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr Magic (Post 260571)
You lost me with the funny pics of cats thing. Is that some type of inside joke?

I'm not sure about you, but i played footballl from pop warner through college. While the big boys were debating, i was suiting up in the trenches my man.

The cat pictures, talking about foreverfan and he posts the cats...

I even forgot what ya'll we're arguing about :)

pherein 11-08-2010 06:01 PM

outstanding stats on defense guys


Yards per game- 3rd
Points per game- 5th
Yards per play- 4th
3rd down percentage- 4th
Fumbles- 10th
Pass defense- 1st
Completion percentage- 11th
Yards per pass- 3rd
Passing TD's- 2nd
Interceptions- 22nd
20+ yard passes- 3rd
40+ yard passes- 5th
Sacks- 12th
QB rating- 5th
Rush defense- 17th
Yards per rush- 18th
Rush TD's- 15th
20+ yard rushes- 14th
40+ yard rushes- 13th

saintsfan1976 11-09-2010 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr Magic (Post 260571)
You lost me with the funny pics of cats thing. Is that some type of inside joke?

I'm not sure about you, but i played footballl from pop warner through college. While the big boys were debating, i was suiting up in the trenches my man.

Which - again - has nothing to do with your comments regarding Sharper in this post. Let's let this one die Magic... I'm tired of coming back, hoping to find a decent response that makes me re-think my position.

Rugby Saint II 11-09-2010 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Magic (Post 260164)
You guys love to heap the praise on Sharper. Three or four guys held Stewart up and Sharper got a cheap blind side hit on him.

Jenkins actually made that play. Sharper cleaned it up as always.

Sharper's nickname should be "The Clean Up Man", because that's what he does is clean up after other guys make plays.

What about all those horrible open field missed tackles by Sharper today?

Sed Ellis played out of his mind today. Good job D, but still some work to be done.

C'mon man!!!! It's almost funny that Jenkins didn't get lucky. Huh?:cool: Sharper is the man and he has picture perfect tackling. He delivers legal bone jarring hits. The man can play some football.:bng:


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