What has to happen for the Saints to win the NFC South !

bpd691 · 12-08-2010, 06:27 AM

Originally Posted by CAL24

I was wrong, the Saints cannot afford any loss. The second tiebreaker is common opponents not conference record. So a loss to Baltimore would not be good because the Falcons beat Baltimore. Saints have to win last 4and along with a loss to the Saints the Falcons need to lose to Carolina or Seattle.

If the second tiebreaker is common opponents, didn't the Falcons loose to Pittsburgh? We destroyed Pittsburgh!

Memnoch_TP · 12-08-2010, 05:46 PM

Originally Posted by bpd691

If the second tiebreaker is common opponents, didn't the Falcons loose to Pittsburgh? We destroyed Pittsburgh!

Yes, they did. BUT they beat both the Cardinals and the Browns, so they hold that tiebreaker. We beat one team that beat them, they beat two teams that beat us.

I believe their other loss was to Chicago, whom we don't play in the regular season.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 12-08-2010, 07:25 PM

Originally Posted by Memnoch_TP

Yes, they did. BUT they beat both the Cardinals and the Browns, so they hold that tiebreaker. We beat one team that beat them, they beat two teams that beat us.

I believe their other loss was to Chicago, whom we don't play in the regular season.

Philly, not Chicago. Their NFC North partner for the year was the Packers while we got the Vikings. That's the non shared opponent in that division. In the East the 'clowns got Philly (who they lost to) while we got Dallas.

SFIAH

Memnoch_TP · 12-09-2010, 12:19 AM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

Philly, not Chicago. Their NFC North partner for the year was the Packers while we got the Vikings. That's the non shared opponent in that division. In the East the 'clowns got Philly (who they lost to) while we got Dallas.

SFIAH

Thanks, I wasn't sure and I was too lazy to look it up.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 12-08-2010, 07:19 PM

Originally Posted by bpd691

If the second tiebreaker is common opponents, didn't the Falcons loose to Pittsburgh? We destroyed Pittsburgh!

It's the third tiebreaker. After head to head and division record but before conference record. Not a bad argument since two teams in a division has 12 common opponents each year.

All it really takes is one loss of the 'clowns against the Panthers in either of the two tries to send them down the tubes. Here are the scenarios:

1) Saints win out, 'clowns only lose to Saints.
'Clowns win the division:
Overall Record: 13-3 each
Head to head record: 1-1 each
Division record: 5-1 each (one loss to each other)
Common opponents: 'clowns 11-1 (loss to Pittsburg) Saints 10-2 (loss to Browns and Cards)

2)Saints Win out, 'clowns lose one to Panthers or Seattle:
Saints win the division:
Overall Record: Saints 13-3 'Clowns 12-4

3) Saints lose to Baltimore, win others, 'clowns lose one to Panthers
Saints win the division:
Overall Record: 12-4 each
Head to Head: 1-1
Division Record: Saints 5-1 'Clowns 4-2

4) Saints lose to Baltimore, win others, 'clowns lose one to Seattle
Saints win the division:
Overall Record: 12-4 each
Head to Head: 1-1
Division Record: 5-1 each
Common opponents: 10-2 each
Conference Record: Saints 10-2 'Clowns 9-3

5) Saints lose to Rams, win others, 'clowns lose one to Panthers
Saints win the division:
Overall record: 12-4 each
Head to Head: 1-1
Division Record: Saints 5-1 Clowns 4-2

6) Saints lose to Rams, win others, 'clowns lose one to Seattle
'Clowns win the division
Overall record: 12-4 each
Head to Head: 1-1
Division Record: 5-1 each
Common opponents: 'Clowns 10-2, Saints 9-3

So the bottom line is that the Baltimore game is probably the single game we can afford to drop. Division, Common, or Conference losses (TB, Rams, 'Clowns) sends the whole ship down the tubes. OTOH the Panthers are our best buds for the moment. Maybe they will "Rise UP!" (I hate that commercial!)

Here are the tiebreakers:

NFL Tie-Breaking Procedures

SFIAH

CAL24 · 12-09-2010, 01:19 PM

Great post you are correct. A falcons loss to the panthers either time would allow us to lose to either Baltimore or St Louis provided we win
all of the other games. However the below scenerio is incorrect
the Saints would have a 9 -3 common opponents record if the falcons
lose to Seattle and we lose to Baltimore.

4) Saints lose to Baltimore, win others, 'clowns lose one to Seattle
Saints win the division:
Overall Record: 12-4 each
Head to Head: 1-1
Division Record: 5-1 each
Common opponents: 10-2 each
Conference Record: Saints 10-2 'Clowns 9-3

12-08-2010, 06:27 AM	#1
bpd691 Rookie Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 18	Originally Posted by CAL24 I was wrong, the Saints cannot afford any loss. The second tiebreaker is common opponents not conference record. So a loss to Baltimore would not be good because the Falcons beat Baltimore. Saints have to win last 4and along with a loss to the Saints the Falcons need to lose to Carolina or Seattle. If the second tiebreaker is common opponents, didn't the Falcons loose to Pittsburgh? We destroyed Pittsburgh!
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12-08-2010, 05:46 PM	#2
Memnoch_TP Logic Troll Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Southern Louisiana Posts: 565	Originally Posted by bpd691 If the second tiebreaker is common opponents, didn't the Falcons loose to Pittsburgh? We destroyed Pittsburgh! Yes, they did. BUT they beat both the Cardinals and the Browns, so they hold that tiebreaker. We beat one team that beat them, they beat two teams that beat us. I believe their other loss was to Chicago, whom we don't play in the regular season.

12-08-2010, 07:25 PM	#3
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,781	Originally Posted by Memnoch_TP Yes, they did. BUT they beat both the Cardinals and the Browns, so they hold that tiebreaker. We beat one team that beat them, they beat two teams that beat us. I believe their other loss was to Chicago, whom we don't play in the regular season. Philly, not Chicago. Their NFC North partner for the year was the Packers while we got the Vikings. That's the non shared opponent in that division. In the East the 'clowns got Philly (who they lost to) while we got Dallas. SFIAH

12-09-2010, 12:19 AM	#4
Memnoch_TP Logic Troll Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Southern Louisiana Posts: 565	Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL Philly, not Chicago. Their NFC North partner for the year was the Packers while we got the Vikings. That's the non shared opponent in that division. In the East the 'clowns got Philly (who they lost to) while we got Dallas. SFIAH Thanks, I wasn't sure and I was too lazy to look it up.

12-08-2010, 07:19 PM	#5
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,781	Originally Posted by bpd691 If the second tiebreaker is common opponents, didn't the Falcons loose to Pittsburgh? We destroyed Pittsburgh! It's the third tiebreaker. After head to head and division record but before conference record. Not a bad argument since two teams in a division has 12 common opponents each year. All it really takes is one loss of the 'clowns against the Panthers in either of the two tries to send them down the tubes. Here are the scenarios: 1) Saints win out, 'clowns only lose to Saints. 'Clowns win the division: Overall Record: 13-3 each Head to head record: 1-1 each Division record: 5-1 each (one loss to each other) Common opponents: 'clowns 11-1 (loss to Pittsburg) Saints 10-2 (loss to Browns and Cards) 2)Saints Win out, 'clowns lose one to Panthers or Seattle: Saints win the division: Overall Record: Saints 13-3 'Clowns 12-4 3) Saints lose to Baltimore, win others, 'clowns lose one to Panthers Saints win the division: Overall Record: 12-4 each Head to Head: 1-1 Division Record: Saints 5-1 'Clowns 4-2 4) Saints lose to Baltimore, win others, 'clowns lose one to Seattle Saints win the division: Overall Record: 12-4 each Head to Head: 1-1 Division Record: 5-1 each Common opponents: 10-2 each Conference Record: Saints 10-2 'Clowns 9-3 5) Saints lose to Rams, win others, 'clowns lose one to Panthers Saints win the division: Overall record: 12-4 each Head to Head: 1-1 Division Record: Saints 5-1 Clowns 4-2 6) Saints lose to Rams, win others, 'clowns lose one to Seattle 'Clowns win the division Overall record: 12-4 each Head to Head: 1-1 Division Record: 5-1 each Common opponents: 'Clowns 10-2, Saints 9-3 So the bottom line is that the Baltimore game is probably the single game we can afford to drop. Division, Common, or Conference losses (TB, Rams, 'Clowns) sends the whole ship down the tubes. OTOH the Panthers are our best buds for the moment. Maybe they will "Rise UP!" (I hate that commercial!) Here are the tiebreakers: NFL Tie-Breaking Procedures SFIAH
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12-09-2010, 01:19 PM	#6
CAL24 Rookie Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 9	Great post you are correct. A falcons loss to the panthers either time would allow us to lose to either Baltimore or St Louis provided we win all of the other games. However the below scenerio is incorrect the Saints would have a 9 -3 common opponents record if the falcons lose to Seattle and we lose to Baltimore. 4) Saints lose to Baltimore, win others, 'clowns lose one to Seattle Saints win the division: Overall Record: 12-4 each Head to Head: 1-1 Division Record: 5-1 each Common opponents: 10-2 each Conference Record: Saints 10-2 'Clowns 9-3
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