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OK, the same rules apply as last time. Don't elaborate about why you answered one way or the other, just answer. I'm changing it up, only two options this time.

1. I think Haslett should be the head coach of the Saints in 2004. (T/F)

2. I think Aaron Brooks should continue to be the starting QB of the New Orleans Saints. (T/F)

3. AB helps this team more than he hurts it. (T/F).

4. The single biggest problem with this team is: (Fill in the blank - ONE word, or a couple, not a paragraph).

Go to town boys.

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1. No

2. Yes

3. Yes

4. Attitude... When Haslett came in he told reporters how important it was to change the attitude frmo a losing one into a winning one.
What heppened to that goal?

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1. F (I like JH, but he continues to back AB and that is unforgivable after these three years)

2. F. (We should trade him quickly, perhaps to Arizona?)

3. F. (AB does not hurt this team only when Deuce can carry the offense. When someone puts nine in the box - as the Bucs just did - and AB has to pass....)

4. Brooks (He personally killed us yesterday.)

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1. F- But who cares what I think- he\'s going to be the head coach next year, regardless

2. F- After yesterday\'s game, I am no longer riding the fence on our QB

3. F- He\'s a goofy looking tumor

4. Stupidity- not just AB, there are others that make some real boneheaded plays.

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F b/c if he is here brooks will still be QB
F Get this fumbling bumbling want to be qb out of Here
F um lets see look at yesterdays game and tell me
BROOKS haslett venturi mcarthy!!!

[Edited on 8/12/2003 by jared21]

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F-stop backing bad players
F- if he could hold on to the ball, then he can hold on to his job
F- makes good plays, but makes HUGE errors
No Heart

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1. T

2. F

3. F

4. Brooks = turnover, Tebuckey = blown coverage

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1. F -- Cuts productive players for being \"cancers\", Fights tooth and nail to keep or get players that hurt the team.

2. F -- He was bad before yesterday

3. F -- Lackadasical, dumb and won\'t accept responsibility. The rest of the team emulates him.

4. Losing is tolerable. It\'s OK to lose as long as Brooks stays at QB and Haz gets players he wants. Who cares if Haz and Willie Roaf like each other if Willie Roaf could have played like he\'s playing in KC right now. The whole deal with Haz is that winning is not more valuable than his comfort level. I can\'t understand that.

[Edited on 8/12/2003 by BrooksMustGo]

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1. No. He had his chance. He took us to the playoffs once, but that gift has not been reproduced. His ability aside, everyone has lost faith.

2. Yes. Though we should have an offseason shoot-out for the starting position.

3. Yesterday he shure did. However, I don\'t think I\'m in a position to say one way or another about all the games and into the future. I\'m not making a point here, I\'m just saying that I don\'t know.

4. GMing. I think we need to do a better job of getting talent here and keeping it. Sure our coach didn\'t help any, but a strong GM can control a coach. I like all the arguments that we are not doing what we should with the talent we have. However, people must be saying something about POTENTIAL talent, since I haven\'t seen a lot of this so called talent on the field this season. Talent on paper is not what we want; we want on field talent - something that is difficult to predict, understand, or even rate until players are on the field TOGETHER (I\'m a big fan of chemistry arguments, in case you hadn\'t guessed).

Sorry, I couldn\'t resist the paragraph, but it looks like I wasn\'t alone (and that is why it is fun here).

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*twitch* *shiver* *twitch twitch*

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Eezy big fela. it will be OK. Just take a coupul of asperen and relacks.
Your to sensative to hour misteaks.

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My bad. Sheesh, you guys are harsh... :D

You make one lousy mistake...

[Edited on 8/12/2003 by JKool]

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Thats Kool ;)
4. GMing. I think we need to do a better job of getting talent here and keeping it.

I don\'t know if talent evaluation is as much a problem as properly utilizing that talent, and keeping it around long enough to build a winner.
Yes, we needed to upgrade last years defense. It had some exploitable holes. But a wholesale top to bottom rehaul was probably unnecessary, in hindsight.

I think Knight would have been adequate if we improved speed everywhere else (CB and FS). I don\'t think it was a mistake to let him go, but he sure would have been nice to have when Mitchell unexpectedly went down.

I think Glover was our only major mistake. But a MAJOR one indeed.

Roaf would have cost us a flipping fortune to keep and we were in salary cap hell, and he was unhappy here and wanted out.
Turley was a decent RT but a lousy LT and wanted elite LT money to stay. (remember he rejected a very good offer from us).

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1.F
2.F
3.F
COACHING ( THERE IS NO SIGNS OF COACHING AT ANY POSITION. CAN YOU NAME ONE ASPECT OF THIS TEAM THAT HAS SHOWN STEADY IMPROVMENT?)

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Profit margin?

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1. F
2. F
3. F
4. Professionalism

:mad2:

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No B&B - haven\'t you heard Benson? He\'s broke. That\'s why he may have to move the team.

10% think Haslett should be head coach next season.
20% think Brooks should continue to start.
10% think AB hurts more than he helps.

Seems like the problems are pretty clear to everyone... unless your name has a B an I two Ls and a Y in it.

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WhoDat -- for the most part I have really enjoyed debating things with you. I have enjoyed debating several members here. Now, you along with Gator want to bring it on a pesonal level. You 2 are incrediable. It\'s just like saintfan said. The \"good \'ol boy network.\" If I don\'t agree with WhoDat or Gator, then I\'m pathetic. But, let me call someone pathetic or say some of the samethings about someone and god only knows what would happen.

The only one that is discourging members from posting on here is you 2. Not eveyone thinks Brooks should be cut. Maybe on here. But, believe me when I tell you I\'m not alone. Check out some other saints sites. If y\'all don\'t want anyone posting that is pro Brooks, I\'m sure you guys are accomplishing that.

I\'m getting close to not wanting to post here anymore myself.

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Good points Tweeky.

I guess, I can\'t help but feel that our offseason was a bit awful. I too am pretty bitter about losing Glover (and Sammy too). It seems like we bring people in who are long shots or are moving toward the end of their careers (or who are hopelessly over weight). We need to make better bids on players who are coming off their first contracts, players who have a some upside, but who are still proven NFLers (no duh, right?). I just can\'t help but feel that moving so many people in and out of our system and not bartering for players (we do a decent job of getting draft picks) is a serious problem here. Maybe it is coaching, but we know that I\'m reticent to say that... :) So, I guess I like to blame the GM first; I suppose, I don\'t have much of an argument for that yet, but when I do, I\'ll let you know.

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Billy - you don\'t think Jim Haslett or Aaron Brooks have anything to do with the Saints\' problems - or maybe very little to do with them. Everyone else seems to disagree. That\'s not a rip, it\'s a statement of fact.

Tell us again about how the Saints are going to be 13-3 and Brooks is going to go to the Pro Bowl! I love that one!

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Gator, clearly you have no idea what you\'re talking about as far as who I blame. But just to make you happy, I said Brooks cost us the game yesterday. Him alone. No one else. I have said that Brooks has cost us 2 games that I am aware of. If there are more, show and prove to me and I will admit that to. I hope you find some comfort in the fact that I place blame where it goes. I do all the time. I also ain\'t so stupid that I don\'t see other problems on the team. Unlike so many.

Now, my advice to you is to actually read what I post. I say negitive things about Brooks. Not as much as you because there is too much of it on here already. I do defend him when I don\'t feel it is justified. Of course I know you feel all of it is justified. But, I don\'t. Maybe, I\'ll start going behind everyone of your posts and start calling you the most negitive poster on here like others have done. But, I won\'t. I will disagree with you or anyone else and state the reasons why I think so. If you have a problem with this then you will have to deal with it the best way you can.

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I\'ve already said I want Haslett gone. I\'ve already said that Brooks has cost us 2-games that I am aware of. If you have some proof that Brooks cost us more games then show me and I\'ll say the samething. . I\'d rather not.

[Edited on 9/12/2003 by BillyC]

[Edited on 9/12/2003 by JOESAM2002]

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There were alot of opportunities for alot of players to make a play count yesterday and they failed to do so. This game was a one play loss. Anyone of them could have turned it around and they didn\'t. Brooks had the hottest first quarter I\'ve ever seen him play. He is usually not hot until the 2nd half. They he self destructed. But there were alot of times that a single play would have changed the game. Brooks most blatantly cost us this one but anyone of the other 21 starters had their chance to make that one signifigant player to turn the momentum. Some did and some didn\'t. Brooks was on the didn\'t side.

I agree, the guy sucked it up for most of the game. He looked confused by the defense and the coverage. We beat ourselves. I still like Brooks. When he\'s on he\'s on but........I can\'t stand inconsistency. I\'d rather have a less talented but more consistent QB. As for individual turnovers, you are not making adequate comparisons unless you review each one. Big difference between unforced and forced.

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This thread got interesting while I was gone.

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