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It has gotten to the point that when I make any kind of post I am either an idiot or stupid. I get called out as only talking about Aaron Brooks, when the truth is I try to talk about anything other than Brooks. I defend him and I try to bring up relevent comparisons. I try to point out other QB's have endured simular circumstances, but for whatever reason I get called out on it. It's not me that keeps bring Brooks up. It is me that gives a different view than "HE SUCKS".

Now, even the moderator has stated all I do is bring drivel to the board. I have no desire to get into it with the moderator any more. This isn't an attack on you Joe. I think you have been fair editing the posts for all members. I'll not go any further with that.

Debating is fine. But now it is very clear that if I stay here that I'm going to constantly get ganged up on be the "good ol' boy network." Well, I'll take a break for a while and let y'all carrry on about your business.

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If this is the result of our discussion on the other thread, this was not my intent.

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No B&B. Nothing to do with it.

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Coincidental timing?

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Believe me that\'s all it was. I have a different veiw on Brooks. This puts me at odds with the masses. I understand that. I TRY to make valid points. But, now it\'s gone way beyond having to talk about what I actually post. It\'s gotten on the pesonal level way too much for my liking. It\'s not just one or two members that I have to answer to. It\'s just about EVERYONE. But, this has NOTHING to do with you. It has nothing to do with any ONE particualar member. God knows, I give WhoDat and Gator hell. It\'s just I have to defend myself too much around here lately.

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BillyC, you have a different view of Brooks In all INFINITE wisdom, why don\'t you post AB\'s record as a starter. After you do that, reality.

[Edited on 10/12/2003 by JOESAM2002]

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Well Billy, what do you expect? I mean, honestly, I\'m not trying to give you a hard time at all. I\'m just saying, at the beginning of the season you talked about how Brooks and Haslett and this team were all going to shine this year. You were not alone, in fact you were in the majority.

Midseason you stuck by your guns and said that they could turn it around - I can\'t say if you were in the majority or minority then, but you had time on your side and a lot of football left to be played.

Now, look around. You\'re beginning to sound a bit like the Iraqi defense minister. I mean, there\'s no one left that thinks the way you do. You\'ve refused to change your views and those view now appear diluted. (I\'m not saying that they are I\'m saying people feel that way).

I mean, after the Tampa game the first post I saw on this board was you talking about how poorly Brooks had played and how he cost us the game. The next post was the usual Billy talk about how everyone else screwed up just as much and Brooks isn\'t really the problem. How can that be? Man, you don\'t want people coming after you, well don\'t give them a reason to. I\'m not telling you to toe my line, or the line of anyone else on the board, but unwillingness to change despite every good reason to, well, I go back to the Iraqi defense minister analogy.

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Do you have nothing better to do? You\'re not bothering me in the least. All you are doing is making youself look foolish. It\'s neither funny or intelligent. But keep posting it if it makes you feel good. I hate to see you ruin this board for one day or one minute as far as that goes. You by far are the_______ intelligent person I have ever had the pleasure of not knowing. Now, carry on..........

[Edited on 10/12/2003 by JOESAM2002]

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No, please Billy, let him keep posting- I need new material :P

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But Billy, shouldn\'t we give him some time to mature and correct his mistakes? They are correctable with coaching! ;)

LMAO.

Sorry B, I just couldn\'t resist. Just a joke. We all know George is a tard.

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Clearly Books has been to blame in 2 of the losses. I\'ve said that several times. Clearly Brooks has a fumbling problem this year and I have said that also. How many times do I have to say it? I\'ve said Haslett needs to go. How many times do I have to say that. All most of you do is post the same thing over and over. I have brought up very FAIR comparisons to other QB\'s. It is relevant and I\'m not and never did say that Brooks was the caliber of QB\'s of those guys. I just was trying to make a point that other QB\'s have endured simualr problems and went on to do fine.

Fact is that when I say ANYTHING guy like you go around saying I can\'t or won\'t admit the shortcomings of this team. When in reality I have done so many times. Bashing is completely the \"IN THING\" on this board and I do not agree with many things that are posted here. Sure, give up on Brooks, Tebucky, and whoever else you want to. Bash away, day after day. God forbid someone says it ain\'t time to give up on this guys yet and makes fair comparisons to other players. I have said in the past that some wrote this team off too quickly and they did. Just because the Saints probably aren\'t going to the playoffs did not make you writing the team off right. If you want to keep saying that I\'ve been wrong. Fine. I have no problem admitting my prediction about this team was wrong. I think you said your prediction about the last year was wrong. Frankly, I\'m tired of having to defend myself when I know I\'m bringing up very valid points only to have to get on a personal level with most folks.

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Bill brings a valuable perspective to this board.

I\'m not exactly sure if Bill is a Saints fan or a Brooks fan sometimes. And suffice it to say, that I typically disagree with his confidence in Brooks. But I would have to confess that in light of all the player turnover for the past 4 years, I\'d like to go ahead and make one more big trade.

I honestly believe that Aaron Brooks could be our Herschel Walker. I think we can get far more out of him that helps us down the road than we\'re getting from him right now. I don\'t think Brooks takes us to the superbowl. Now if we trade him and next season San Diego goes to the superbowl then I sure hope we got something good to show for it. But I think that is highly unlikely unless Brooks becomes an entirely new person after getting traded.

I for one disagree with cutting Brooks. That would be dumb. We should be able to get good value for him. I disagree with benching Brooks. We bench him, then he doesn\'t get to pad his stats and it raises questions about how little a team would have to offer us to get him in a trade. No, I think play him as the starter and give a team like the Chargers, Cardinals, etc a chance to trade down and pay through the nose for him.

I don\'t think Brooks will ever be a great player in New Orleans. There is no middle ground among fans on him. People either love him or detest him. But I do think that freeing up some cap space for a great free agent or two, drafting a qb to learn behind someone like Brunnell and a couple of years puts this organization in the nfc championship game at the least.

I think that\'s a huge benefit for a nominal (8-8) cost. I say jump on it while he is still young enough to generate that sort of trade interest. If he hangs around another 3 years, then he\'ll be 31 with 3 more lackluster seasons behind him. I don\'t see another team being willing to break the bank on a 31 year old lackluster qb. But now I think that some team would. I think we should strike while the iron is hot.

I\'d also like to clear up that I never thought the answer for this team was Jake Delhomme or Todd Bouman. I think it would be foolish to consider either of those guys the long term solution here. I think the real issue is that Brooks provides us with some real bargaining power and given the holes we have on defense, getting good value for him could leave us in prime condition to go deep into the playoffs.

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We couldn\'t get anythin more than about a 3rd rounder for Brooks. Its better to keep him.
I think if we take off the kid gloves and hold him accountable for his mistakes (benching) he may actually grow a spine and improve both physically and mentally.

I think we have a decent core of players. Lets build on what we have instead of re-building what almost worked.

Think about this...
Change the Carolina blown calls and one Tampa Fumble and this team is an easy 8-5, in 1st place, and the talk of the NFC. We had a good team, but a bad year, again.

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Damn hell of a little pre lunch party you all had in here today, running fights in multiple threads, the return of a favorite fool and Billy ready to bail. Looks like Joe is going to have to work overtime to clean up all this mess.LOL Nothing like a Saints board the week after they start december play.

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I am not sure what you expected from people on this board. From what I have read in the past here, there was a pattern. Someone would post a negative comment about Brooks and then you and Saintsfan would attack them. It almost seems as if you and Satinsfan took attacks against Brooks personally. Though I didn\'t post then, it sometimes made me want to post merely to point out that the person you were attacking said NOTHING negative or aggressive about you or any other poster. Yet, they were often derided and called crazy, stupid, ignorant, foolish... it just went on an on.

I will say this much, now that people do it to you (i.e. you make a comment about Brooks, not another poster) and someone comes out an attacks you; you get all \"poor me.\" When other people left this board with that attitude, they were dogged for \"not taking it like a man.\"

Look in the mirror.

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You know, comments like this are my second favorite ones to read.
My most favorite ones come after I start doing a mock draft.
For example, if I project Joey Thomas--CB--Montana St to go out to Kansas City in the 5th round, I\'ll invariably get some response like this...

\"Dude, what are you smokin?! Every idiot knows that Thomas won\'t slip out of the first round.\"

I just end up thinking, \"Is everyone aware that there are only 32 teams drafting this year?\"

All that to say, we could get better than a 3rd for Brooks.

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No doubt that happend. However, that was before folks started getting banned. People were asked to stop that. Which I did. Now, it\'s still going on but it ain\'t me. At the time when someone was getting called foolish that was a 2 way street.

Of course this is probably just another attempt by me to cover up the REAL problem. Which is ME.

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BillyC, that is all great about the other QBs. But how does that help or hurt the Saints this year. I believe people would have taken your post better if you would something like this. I know Brooks screwed up and I\'m mad as hell about it but, this has happen to other OBs in the past.

You can\'t be happy about the way Brooks has been playing. And I believe everyone here will agree that Brooks can play great football. We just don\'t want to wait 3 years to see it.

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This is what I said:

That\'s also what I meant. I never EVER said Brooks was playing great. NEVER. Simply trying to say that other QB\'s have had simular problems. I also said he needed to correct the problem. When I start having to post things that I don\'t mean then it\'s time I move on. I can\'t help if folks can\'t follow the logic and wants to put words in my mouth. Nope. Can\'t do it.


[Edited on 10/12/2003 by BillyC]

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Ok, now I\'ll take that break. You guys keep thinking of how I\'m causing problems here.

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I didn\'t mean to come off that I was attacking you. Sorry if that is the way it sounded.

Just most Saints fans wanted things to happen this year and they didn\'t. Please reread my post and don\'t take it as attacking you. Just saying most fan don\'t wont to wait they want it know.

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In no way did I think you were attacking me. I didn\'t mean to sound like you were. Sorry.

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BillyC tell me one thing, Sunday after the game were you mad as hell at Aaron Brooks? If yes I could take all your post as trying to see the light at the end of the tunnel.

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I\'ll answer this one for Billy, since who knows when his break will end.

Of course he was. All you need to do is look back at what he said. Now, interpret it any way you want, but it sure looked to me like he was pissed (or at least made physically ill) by Brooks play.

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I think that it is sad that BillyC and Saintfan will be gone for a bit.

I would like to say that you are all equally annoying, but that is part of the fun. If people on this board didn\'t motivate each other to write clearer, stronger arguments, what would be the point of the discussion?

The problem is, too many people spend too much time directing arguments at people rather than peoples\' ideas or arguments. Of course, this will get upsetting, especially for the people who get ganged up on.

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LOL :P

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I think it\'s sad I even started this thread. What the hell was I thinking? I was frustrated that what I was. Uh huh. Yep. Hey............It Happens!!

From now on. I WILL NOT let \"The Gang\" get to me. I was a little overly sensetive today. No apologies though. Ya get ya what give. I got mine.

[Edited on 11/12/2003 by BillyC]

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Gator,


Drum up support? Is that the attorney coming out in you? Look Man, I was very furstrated this morning. I could have posted the \"Sky is Blue.\" and I would have folks telling me it was kinda \" terquoise\".

Furthermore, I have never and will never go around here trying to win a popularity contest. I also am not looking for anyone to feel sorry for me. Never have. Never will.

Like I said, I was frustrated. My intention was not to say this board couldn\'t get by without me. My intention was.......well.............I don\'t know what my intention was. I do know I was frustrted and I said so in the post right above yours.

Kinda like the thread \" Does Gatorman make you want to Leave this Board?\" ;)

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But the sky isn\'t blue billy. The sky is clear. It only looks blue when particles and chemicals in the air reflect the light shining off the ocean. At night, for instance, the sky is black, and on cloudy days it\'s gray. At sunrise and sunset it\'s a whole variety of colors. You still can\'t see the whole picture can you?

LMAO. Yes, that was a joke.

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I hear ya !! Can you actually see the sky in Chicago? I mean with all the smog and all. :P

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No smog in Chicago - very clear actually. We\'re in the plains states on a lake, so the winds whip across here and there\'s no place for smog to form. Plus, Chicago does a ton of beautification works, which basically translates into - we ship all of our plants and waste over to Indiana and just put a park in its place. Works great for us, but have you ever been to Gary, Indiana? It makes the Industrial section of Baton Rouge look like the Ritz.

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How \'bout shipping Brian Urlacher to New Orleans and we\'ll put a Ruff in his place? How \'bout that one??.....LOL......... :D