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FROM THE GAME RECAP....
SAME CREW?
SCREWED AGAIN?
THIS IS BULL-SHI^



"Can you believe that?" said Haslett. "I can't."

It was this same Gerry Austin crew that cost the Saints a game this season against Carolina with three controversial calls. The league admitted later that the calls were made in error.

So here it was Austin's crew making another controversial call late when they overruled a pass interference penalty. The ruling on the field was that Bryant had interfered with Lewis in the end zone. But the ball was tipped by safety Donovin Darius, although the tip looked as if it came after the penalty.

Austin reviewed it and overruled it, forcing a fourth-down throw by Brooks from the 10 that was batted down by defensive end Paul Spicer. After the game, there was still some question in the Saints locker room as to whether that play was even reversible.

"I've never heard that one before," said Haslett, who said Austin had no real explanation as to why it was overturned.

In the pool report, Austin explained the call.

"When the ball is touched, and the pass interference occurs behind where it's touched, then there is no foul because the ball has been legally touched," Austin said. "After that, interference can not occur by rule. That's what brought about the change."

SORRY I'M NOT ONE WHO SAYS WORDS LIKE "DESERVE... LUCK..." WE GOT JOBBED AND IT'S HAPPENING TOO MUCH

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Ok, if the interference was after the tip. How about illigal contact or defensive holding after 5 yards. It was apparent the the defender made contact with Lewis after 5 yds.

Yea! We\'ll get another appology during the week but you know what I\'ll feel the same as I did after the Carolina game. They won\'t give us the win.

P.S. No use passing blame today was 1 of many and with the Seattle win it didn\'t matter the Saints would have lost the tie breaker and the worse Seattle will finish is 9 & 7.

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I have to agree. Even non Saints fans I know will say that we got screwed, once again, by the refs. Happens all the time. ALL the time. I used to chuckle about the \"curse\", hell, I\'m usually the one to, in jest, bring it up myself, but man, sometimes I wonder...
I\'m very fired up for next weeks game. The Saints are gonna come out and smoke Dallas... mark my words. It\'s gonna be a good game to fire us up for next year, and give us a nice lasting memory to help us through the up-coming months without football.

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But, I have to say, once again, we got SCREWED!!!!!!!!

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P. Manning 28/45 347 2 2
S. McNair 13/25 166 1 1
C. Pennington 25/39 236 1 1
B. Johnson 21/38 156 0 1
D. Ragone 11/23 71 0 1
T. Brady 22/34 228 2 0
A. Brooks 22/38 296 2 0


Here\'s what other QB\'s did against that Jaguars defense. Brooks had the best day. Even Peyton Manning and the Colts lost against the Jaguars. Wonder why the Great Colts and Manning lost? They are a good team aren\'t they?

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You\'ll not bring me down to that level. You really ought to delete that post before Joe sees it. You are clearly trying to blame the loss on Brooks. Old man. Real old. It\'s like talking to a wall -- :casstet:

You should really try to make this board a better place. There\'s no need in all that stuff. Remember your apology that got you back on this board?

Gator -- I think you have mistaken a one of my earlier post as being directed at you and it wasn\'t. I really don\'t care what you say or what you think. You don\'t and never have hurt my feelings. I\'m over the flaming and the personal attacks. I was stupid for every doing it in the first place. If you can\'t talk football with me and must do the name calling then I will simply ignore all of your posts from now on.

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ROFLMAO - I guess it never dawned on the referee , Had Lewis not been interferred with his route might have taken him in front of Darrius who made the tip .It is a little hard to adjust to a thrown ball while dragging a 200+ pound corner around the football field .

[Edited on 22/12/2003 by saintz08]

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Yes, the Saints got screwed... again. This is the second time that this crew has stuck one up our arses, but you know what? Gator\'s right. If the Saints don\'t play like poo, the officials aren\'t put in a position where one blown call costs us the game. Let\'s place blame appropriately. If you want to point a finger the first place you\'d better look is right at the Saints sideline.

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So, WhoDat, in a league where more games than not usually come down to the last drive, the saints should keep a large enough margin on the scoreboard to make up for any bad calls by the refs? Got cha!!!

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Got who? You must be talking to your buddle scrambled brains... er eggs... there Flapjack.

BOTH the Carolina game and Jaguar game COULD have easily been won by the Saints had they executed on any number of plays throughout the course of the game. I\'m not by any means saying that the refereeing in both of those games wasn\'t suspect and didn\'t hurt the Saints dearly. I am saying that the Saints COULD have been in position in both games such that the bad calls wouldn\'t have been deciding factors in the games. You can only blame the Saints for those bad calls. Please Pancake, don\'t try to start an argument with me about how refereeing costs games. The only way that is possible is if the Saints played exceptionally well, executed much better than normally on both sides of the ball, and one bad call flipped the tide. Can you say that has EVER happened to the Saints? Not in my memory, but go ahead and argue that anyway flapjack. ;)

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So, in your opinion, the only times the refs can really be at fault is when both teams plays up to WhoDat\'s standard? That\'s real funny. I\'ll keep that in mind the next time the refs make another bad call. I\'ll think to myself -- \"oh well, it doesn\'t matter because the Saints didn\'t play up to WhoDat\'s standards, therefore they don\'t deserve to win any damn way.\" I\'m glad you cleared that up for me. :o

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This is getting old. The Saint lost the game, plan and simple, the reps didn\'t lose it for us the players and coaching staff did. You know, shoulda, coulda, woulda means nothing!!!!!!!

And yes the Saints had four tries to put it in the end zone and they didn\'t. Shame on them. Come back and make the best play of all times and miss the extra point!!!!!!!!!!

No way else but the Saint\'s!!!!!!!!!!!

Something needs to change and change fast. One thing for sure is our play calling SUCKS, and I don\'t know if that comes from the inability of AB to run an offense or our offensive coordinator inability to put one together.

But for the LOVE OF GOD the Saint\'s fan deserve at least one year of a Great football team and a super bowl win!!!!!!!!!!!!!!





[Edited on 22/12/2003 by BayouCajun]

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Good points Bayou. Yes Billy, the Saints lost this game for the Saints, not the refs. Did the refs give Taylor 194 yards rushing? Did the refs miss the extra point? Did the refs call the ridiculously dumb dives on short yardage plays? Did they?

Whatever, it\'s a ridiculous debate and once again, Flapjack is stretching for the syrup. Not worth arguing.



On a completely diferent note: Venturi/Haslett\'s insistance on running Deuce in the 0-3 holes on short yardage downs has been almost as ridiculous this season as has Everest\'s lack of middle wedge calls on kick returns. I mean, did the Saints EVER once pick up a first down on short yardage when it mattered this season? I can\'t remember a time? All I remember is terrible play calls and failures.

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I don\'t think the refs cost us the game yesterday, although, they sure didn\'t help. I do however think refs have cost us games in the past, and that it is not fair to say that because the saints didn\'t play up to someone\'s expectation that the bad call was meaningless and we deserved to lose. But, that\'s just my \"flapjack\" way at looking at things.

I know you guys want to see this team play more consistant, but DAMN!!!

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One thing for sure is that we all want the Saints to play well and be a great team. Guess what, as much as I hate to say it, THEY ARE NOT!!!

Billy, WhoDat, and all the other people are all correct in some small way.
What I think Whodat and other are saying is, if you are happy with the way Brooks played this year something is wrong. I for one am not happy with the way he played this year. That doesn\'t mean I don\'t like him are don\'t think he can do it. It is plan and sample, Brooks did not come through on the field this year PERIOD. I don\'t care how good his stats are I watched every game, and that is all I need. And I don\'t put all the blame on him, but he is the guy that runs our offense.

Good teams find a way to win when they are not playing to their best, and the Saint\'s just can\'t do it.

I think it is mosly Coaching what is wrong with this team!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Edited on 22/12/2003 by BayouCajun]

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That\'s not what I\'m saying. I think that if I have to have another Brooks discussion I might just put my head through the monitor.

What I am saying that if you think an offense that could only score 9 points (6 of those coming on a miraculous last second 3 lateral 75 yard play) is deserving of winning a game, yet the refs cheated you out of it, then something might just be a bit off in your perspective. There may be some syrup on your goggles and you may be drinking tang with your pancakes.

My point is that the Saints didn\'t play well enough to win yesterday and to say that the refs stole it from us is assinine. We lost that game, the refs just helped throw dirt on our coffin.

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WhoDat I meant all year, not this past game.

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Oh, I got it. What you are saying is that Carolina doesn\'t deserve to be in the playoffs. I mean after all.................How many games did they luck up and win? And, how many games did the refs give them? Who the hell cares? They are in and they deserve to be in, but not according to your logic. When do you decide who \"deserves\" to win?

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So you thought this team played well enough yesterday to deserve a win?

Was it the 60 yards rushing, or the 243 we allowed? How about our 33% red-zone efficiency? That\'s playoff material right there.

You know what? I don\'t even know why I\'m having this discussion. Flapjack strikes again!

Anyone who actually watches football without syrup blurred goggles, or copious amounts of Tang, realizes that the refs have hurt us pretty bad a couple of times this season, but in ALL of those games, the Saints could have made any one or a few plays that would have made the missed calls basically meaningless. The SAINTS lost those games, not the refs.

But hey Billy, how many coaches do you hear talking about how the refs losts games for them? A whole lot huh? Take another bite of those pancakes and wash it down with some more Tang.

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You dang right I thought they played well enough to win. Regardless of what happened in the game, the Saints were able to keep the game close. Just because they ran for 194 yards doesn\'t mean they are not worthy of winning. After all, the defense picked off two passes, blocked a field gaol, and made numerous other plays to keep the Jaguars off the score board. It\'s not like the Jaguars didn\'t make NUMEROUS mistakes in the game also. Did the Jags not deserve to win. Who cares about all that BS. We kept the game close and if we would have won. we would have deserved it as much as them.

Man, you need to get over who \"deserved to win.\" We lost and we deserved to lose. If we would have won, we would have deserved to win. Plain and simple!!!

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That\'s ok Billy, I never understood that line of thinking either. If a team wins, they did enough and deserve it. If a team takes a loss, they deserved it. It was like the LSU-Kentucky matchup from last year. I had friends telling me that LSU deserved to lose that game. What do you base that on? They did enough to keep it close and won on a freak play- it was the defense of Kentucky\'s responsibility to keep that fluke pass from being completed, but they didn\'t. So, LSU won, and we all know the rest.