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hagan714 09-09-2011 01:40 AM

Why we lost this game
 
Ok i am watching this game for a second time. Hats of to the saints. They did not give up and fought for 4 qtrs, despite themselves. They buried themselves at 14 - 0 and it was a battle up hill from there on. We lost to a great team in their house.

1) Wrap up when tackling - Ok the saints want to make a statement about their new look defense. Well they still lack this basic tackling skills. Way too many times players went for an ESPN highlight hit and end up being the ESPN goat on those highlight reels. No excuses here. Torrence is my example on the kick off but he is not alone. Break out the tackling dummies.

2) Drive low on short yardage - Time and time again i watched the new DL get pushed around becuse they where to high on short yardage and goal line situations. Shawn simple was moved out the way time and time again because he came out of stance to high.

3) Coverage - Ok i have to give a break here. GB has a great WR corp. and Rogers is an excellent QB. Patrick Robinson has a way to go but all in all he looked pretty good. They picked on him, took him to school and he gets a solid C grade. Get some games under his belt and we might have something there. Please check that boys cleats in the next grass game. Then you have Harper. The team he played is the reason i am not going to be too hard on him.

4) Power running game - We are not there at all still. Simple put we lost the battle in the trenches on this side of the ball also. We could not move a great defense.

5) Payton goes for it - Last And finally the key to basic football. You are on the road and playing in a game like this you take points any way possible. Sorry but i grew up hearing this over and over. If you can kick a field goal and keep the game under one possession to win you take the three! We were playing GB in GB and that's hard enough without all the excitement. (See 4 for the in-depth explanation)


AS A TEAM - :itsgood: There is no real reason to hang our heads on this loss. We showed great Intestinal fortitude as a team.

GB is a great team. There is no reason to believe 8 - 1 going into the week 9 game against the Falcons is not possible. With that said I am going to church to light candles that we go into that game without injuries.

For now the main thing to focus on one game at a time

Bring on the bears baby.

Choupique 09-09-2011 01:49 AM

nice.

you get the award for the most loyal fan i've seen all night.

wow. you did my heart good.

BOLTS4LIFE 09-09-2011 02:01 AM

You guys will be fine.

alleycat_126 09-09-2011 05:40 AM

Fourth down decisions, you got a half a yard and you decide pass. Full freakin yard, you decide to run!!!

Ingram in space, but not near the goal line. I would use bell on all goal line stuff from now on.

Costly turnover. Once a year Colston gives us a WTF moment. Remember, he is in the in zone a couple of years ago and fumbled trying to leap in. I won't kill him to bad. He'll be money the rest of the year!!

cmike 09-09-2011 05:51 AM

Bottom line, we left too many points on the field.

FinSaint 09-09-2011 06:27 AM

There naturally were some negatives, much of what Hagan already listed above. But I still feel more positive after that game than I thought I would after a loss in the season opener.

I really like how the Saints were able to keep fighting even though they had some setbacks, and that "never say never" attitude will bring lots of rewards this season.

Packers are going to be one of the very best teams this season, and losing a close game against them at their home is nothing to feel too bad about. The Saints won't be facing many teams with as much weapons as them and with a guy like Rodgers distributing the ball.


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saintsfan1976 09-09-2011 06:32 AM

1. Trenches. GB dominated both sides.

2. Tackling. Are we really still beating this drum??

3. Minus in the turnover category usually equals a loss.

4. Hard to blame a "gambler" for going for it on 4th. Sean knew he needed points. Brees knew he needed points. The play call was weak.

5. Did not see any impact from new FA signings...

Our O line & D line are a work in progress. Much to do this week.

We missed Will Smith.

SmashMouth 09-09-2011 06:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 328059)
Ok i am watching this game for a second time. Hats of to the saints. They did not give up and fought for 4 qtrs, despite themselves. They buried themselves at 14 - 0 and it was a battle up hill from there on. We lost to a great team in their house.

1) Wrap up when tackling - Ok the saints want to make a statement about their new look defense. Well they still lack this basic tackling skills. Way too many times players went for an ESPN highlight hit and end up being the ESPN goat on those highlight reels. No excuses here. Torrence is my example on the kick off but he is not alone. Break out the tackling dummies.

2) Drive low on short yardage - Time and time again i watched the new DL get pushed around becuse they where to high on short yardage and goal line situations. Shawn simple was moved out the way time and time again because he came out of stance to high.

3) Coverage - Ok i have to give a break here. GB has a great WR corp. and Rogers is an excellent QB. Patrick Robinson has a way to go but all in all he looked pretty good. They picked on him, took him to school and he gets a solid C grade. Get some games under his belt and we might have something there. Please check that boys cleats in the next grass game. Then you have Harper. The team he played is the reason i am not going to be too hard on him.

4) Power running game - We are not there at all still. Simple put we lost the battle in the trenches on this side of the ball also. We could not move a great defense.

5) Payton goes for it - Last And finally the key to basic football. You are on the road and playing in a game like this you take points any way possible. Sorry but i grew up hearing this over and over. If you can kick a field goal and keep the game under one possession to win you take the three! We were playing GB in GB and that's hard enough without all the excitement. (See 4 for the in-depth explanation)


AS A TEAM - :itsgood: There is no real reason to hang our heads on this loss. We showed great Intestinal fortitude as a team.

GB is a great team. There is no reason to believe 8 - 1 going into the week 9 game against the Falcons is not possible. With that said I am going to church to light candles that we go into that game without injuries.

For now the main thing to focus on one game at a time

Bring on the bears baby.

Agreed on all points ... actually this could be a great teachable moment for SP and the team. It just might bring home to the defensive players what they need to do. I know Aaron is good at picking up blitzes.. but you still got to give him a snootful as they did early on. Got to make him uncomfortable.

Budsdrinker 09-09-2011 07:12 AM

Don't think we will face too many teams this year with the talent GB has.
Even when we had perfect coverage Rodgers put the ball in a perfect spot where only his man could catch it. Moldy Ice can't do that in Failcan land so I still believe we take the south. A few questionable play calls by Payton, a turnover and young player mistakes were our downfall. You can't play 10 yards off of the ball against a west coast style of offense. Hopefully Robinson learns from this or he will be picked on all year long. Work on tackling and I think we will be fine.

Saint_LB 09-09-2011 07:16 AM

We lost to the world champions in their house. I predict that we will win a game or two before the season is over.

Marlboro Man 09-09-2011 07:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saint_LB (Post 328097)
We lost to the world champions in their house. I predict that we will win a game or two before the season is over.

I think you're right.

GOULA SAINT 09-09-2011 07:41 AM

Yea, what Hagan said

SapperSaint 09-09-2011 07:50 AM

1. Going down by two scores, hurt. No fault to Colston. The GB DB dotted the "i" of that ball with his helmet. Just a good defensive play on GB's part.

2. Play Calling. I really didn't agree with going for it on 4th down. I see where SP made that call, being that the defense was getting owned by GB and figured they would run the clock out. So damned if you do damned if you don't. If the Saints make the 1st down SP wakes up a brilliant offensive minded coach.

3. O and D Lines....... who is coaching these guys? For Shawn Rogers and Sedrick Ellis to get man handled, just doesn't add up.

As much as the loss kills me as a fan.... I do admire the good things I saw.

1. Darren Sproles was a GREAT pick up. I only saw one mistake in his game last night. He was darn near perfect.

2. PT23 is the #1 RB on this team. Saw a lot of heart from him last night.

3. Devery Henderson IS the #2 WR on this team.

4. The Saints Players never quit. Never hung their heads in early defeat. Even after most of the Saints Fans did. Still had a chance to win in the end.

5. Casallis should be starting. Kid played lights out.

All in all, I really hope they study this game film throughout the year. O and D line really need to evaluate their problems. Patrick Robinson got another B.S. Degree last night. I think he will show what he learned.

Be ready Chi-Town..... There are some Saints that will be out to prove something next week.

jeanpierre 09-09-2011 07:53 AM

Reason(s) for the loss:

Now this was a tall order to geaux to Green Bay against a team jacked up celebrating a Super Bowl victory and to get a win...

And Aaron Rodgers is the best/hottest quarterback on the planet right now...

But these were things that I saw...

(1) Drew Brees hit it right on the head in the post-game press conference - 1 for 5 in the red zone...

(2) Tackling - or lack thereof. I don't care how creative a defensive coordinator is, he's got to make sure his players and position coaches get the basics right...

(3) Interior Offensive Line Play - Fresh, Rookie Running Back; add a 4X's All Pro Center; all built on the top two (2) Guards in the League; and you still can't meet short yardage goals?!? WTF?!?

(4) Seattle really reinforced how to game plan against the Saints secondary and their weakness in coverage...

(5) Linebacker play (all linebackers) was feast or famine, again, and will probably be that way all season; you'd see a great play and the next play the same guy blew assignments or mistackled...

I said to some friends before the game that I thought this game would determine home-field advantage (and in Green Bay's case, really big) for the playoffs...

I don't like the idea of having to geaux to Green Bay after Winterfell...

Mardigras9 09-09-2011 08:12 AM

Not worried, this team destroyed Atlanta last year. We almost pulled it out despite ourselves, play it again and it would be different.

Saint_LB 09-09-2011 08:36 AM

Because they only allow 60 minutes of play. If there were 61 minutes...

Seriously, though...as much as DB and AR were lighting up the scoreboard, it was their running game being more effective than ours that cost us the game...especially in short yardage situations late in the game. Being that they were at home, I will write it off as home-field advantage.

nicebush25 09-09-2011 01:11 PM

The colston fumble was pivotal. It caused the saints to play catch up the whole game instead of running a balanced attack allowing green bay to control time of posession and making our defense stay on the field most of the game. It caused a tired saint defense that got blown of the line at the point of attack then sloppy tackling down field.
As for the last play of the game, that play was unpaytonlike taking risks and the defense off balance is what he does best. Running it up the middle into the teeth of that defense in lambeau was gonna only have one result.
He hasn't run the play action naked bootleg since buffalo in '08, it would have scored in this situation without a doubt in my mind.

Fleured 09-09-2011 02:03 PM

I'm glad that the Saints collectively never did quit trying even during some ["oy vey" "wtf?" "****!"] moments. The Packers are the champs and we spit it on their turf until the end. I'm very hopeful for the season.

9thWardDesire 09-09-2011 04:11 PM

That was the "Reality Check" game......

saintsfan1976 09-09-2011 05:16 PM

JP - good points, especially 1, 2, & 3.

Another point; the GB offense's ability to run 9-14 play drives for TD's.

NO pressure. You're darn right Rogers could make surgical passes!!!

BUT

I'm fully confident that this team has the ability to correct it's mistakes.

CheramieIII 09-09-2011 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 328059)
Ok i am watching this game for a second time. Hats of to the saints. They did not give up and fought for 4 qtrs, despite themselves. They buried themselves at 14 - 0 and it was a battle up hill from there on. We lost to a great team in their house.

1) Wrap up when tackling - Ok the saints want to make a statement about their new look defense. Well they still lack this basic tackling skills. Way too many times players went for an ESPN highlight hit and end up being the ESPN goat on those highlight reels. No excuses here. Torrence is my example on the kick off but he is not alone. Break out the tackling dummies.

2) Drive low on short yardage - Time and time again i watched the new DL get pushed around becuse they where to high on short yardage and goal line situations. Shawn simple was moved out the way time and time again because he came out of stance to high.

3) Coverage - Ok i have to give a break here. GB has a great WR corp. and Rogers is an excellent QB. Patrick Robinson has a way to go but all in all he looked pretty good. They picked on him, took him to school and he gets a solid C grade. Get some games under his belt and we might have something there. Please check that boys cleats in the next grass game. Then you have Harper. The team he played is the reason i am not going to be too hard on him.

4) Power running game - We are not there at all still. Simple put we lost the battle in the trenches on this side of the ball also. We could not move a great defense.

5) Payton goes for it - Last And finally the key to basic football. You are on the road and playing in a game like this you take points any way possible. Sorry but i grew up hearing this over and over. If you can kick a field goal and keep the game under one possession to win you take the three! We were playing GB in GB and that's hard enough without all the excitement. (See 4 for the in-depth explanation)


AS A TEAM - :itsgood: There is no real reason to hang our heads on this loss. We showed great Intestinal fortitude as a team.

GB is a great team. There is no reason to believe 8 - 1 going into the week 9 game against the Falcons is not possible. With that said I am going to church to light candles that we go into that game without injuries.

For now the main thing to focus on one game at a time

Bring on the bears baby.

Good write up Hagan!

neugey 09-09-2011 10:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nicebush25 (Post 328282)
The colston fumble was pivotal. It caused the saints to play catch up the whole game instead of running a balanced attack allowing green bay to control time of posession and making our defense stay on the field most of the game. It caused a tired saint defense that got blown of the line at the point of attack then sloppy tackling down field.

I agree. This felt like we lost a set of tennis 7-5 after getting our serve broken early on in the set. Played very well and hung with the Pack, but couldn't break their serve and as a result, they won.

st thomas 09-09-2011 11:00 PM

i'm going to finish out the losS by agreeing with the local paper write up and this guy can hammer everything there is to know about what went wrong.
WE WERE A VICTUM OF CIRCUMSTANCE. WE COULD HAVE PUT UP 60 GB WOULD HAVE GOTTEN 61. LETS TAKE IT OUT ON DA BEARS.

strato 09-09-2011 11:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by st thomas (Post 328626)
i'm going to finish out the losS by agreeing with the local paper write up and this guy can hammer everything there is to know about what went wrong.
WE WERE A VICTUM OF CIRCUMSTANCE. WE COULD HAVE PUT UP 60 GB WOULD HAVE GOTTEN 61. LETS TAKE IT OUT ON DA BEARS.


Some Sanity!

jeanpierre 09-09-2011 11:14 PM

Hagan, as always, Thanks...

SaintsRule11 09-10-2011 12:09 AM

Even with the defensive mistakes, the Saints could have actually put up 56 points. I sure hope our defense shows up for the Bears. To be honest, I'm just not sure it was a wise idea getting rid of all these experienced veterans like Pierson Prioleau, Chris Reis, and Alex Brown. An NFL football game is not exactly a good place for on the job training.

homerj07 09-10-2011 10:34 AM

"AS A TEAM - There is no real reason to hang our heads on this loss. We showed great Intestinal fortitude as a team.

GB is a great team. There is no reason to believe 8 - 1 going into the week 9 game against the Falcons is not possible. With that said I am going to church to light candles that we go into that game without injuries.

For now the main thing to focus on one game at a time

Bring on the bears baby."

WAY to say it Hagen - One game does NOT a season make.

BUT - F--ken "A" man - TACKLE!! FOR THE LOVE OF GOD - PLEASE JUST TACKLE


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