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The Dude 09-18-2011 11:37 PM

Something that bothered me about the Bears game
 
Why Sean Payton kept drew in there the last few plays of the game is beyond me. The game was well out of hand and Cutler and the Bears offense had given up. I can understand keeping the Defensive starters out there as they needed some redemption and are a work in progress, but our Offense is clicking on all cylinders. If Paytons ego gets Drew hurt over stupid crap like this I am gonna be pissed. Besides that this game was a pleasure to watch. I do think the Bears may have one of the worst Olines in the league, so I am not going to get too excited about our Defense just yet, but it does look like we are on the improve and that our younger guys are really stepping up. We have scored 30+ points on two of the best Defenses in the leauge (last year) and we have done it without Colston. If this is a sign of things to come I think we may be looking at the best offense this league has ever seen. I can only imagine how many points we will put up on a ****ty defense like the Falcons. Sproles is the best offseason move since we got Brees, and our receivers are really stepping up and when Colston comes back we are going to be a force. Hats off to Graham too.

Belair57 09-18-2011 11:39 PM

They beat us in the 06 NFCC game, and what seems to be every winter since ......I was hoping he kept him in to score again...rub it in their Katrina hatin faces!!!!

pumpkindriver 09-18-2011 11:44 PM

I kinda agree with you but in recent times you just don't see the starting QB pulled anymore. Used to be fairly common in blowouts. Nowdays not so much.

SaintsBro 09-19-2011 01:24 AM

What part of "FINISH STRONG" do you NOT understand? Did you ever see those tee shirts at all? At your own job, or whatever you do in life, do you often quit on important tasks, when you get towards the end, you're halfway there, three quarters there, over the hump, before it's over, and do you suddenly step back and leave others to finish off your work off for you? Is that how you roll?


Did Payton's "ego" get Drew hurt today? That would be a NO. The Bears obviously gave up, but had OUR offense given up? That would be a BIG FAT NO. Nothing that you are fretting about actually happened, in the game, so why are you bothered by this? Is Drew the same as Cutler -- he gives up, loses heart, turns off the jets in the third quarter, and puts on the proverbial baseball cap and checks out? Is that what you want from your QB? I don't think that's very like Drew, if you ask me. Sounds like you don't know the guy too well, or else you don't remember '06 and a certain game in Chicago ... #9 handing off or taking a knee, victory formation, boring offense with an comfortable lead, that CAN mean something more than what it says on the stat sheet... This game today was HUGE that way. And you are wanting to put Drew on the sidelines, holding a clipboard for that very special moment. OK dude...



AND from a purely coaching point of view, sometimes grinding out some ugly late yards and running out the clock, jogging across the field, shaking hands with the other coach and saying "Good game, but you know we kinda let you off the hook there, we coulda scored some more" is MUCH better than racking it up to 37-13 or 43-13 or 50-13, when you might face that SAME TEAM later again in the playoffs... Putting the 2nd string QB at the end of the game would be an insult, a taunt, the same type of thing as Reggie's cute little flip move into the end zone in '06 -- and we don't need that to make the Bears madder at us, when today, they just plain got beat.

realheavyd 09-19-2011 01:41 AM

I definitely don't share your same sentiments on this subject at all. Have you not ever heard Drew Brees say that he always wants to be in the game? The man is a gamer to the end. Let him play his game!

NOS2SB 09-19-2011 04:31 AM

They were running the ball mostly. I think Drew is a smart enough QB to know at that point in the game to not put himself in jeopardy. He wanted to be there until the end.

Cruize 09-19-2011 06:31 AM

I have never been a fan of Payton's playcalling. I think he mostly gets away with it due to the supreme talent of Brees. And with a resume that includes two NFC Championship games and a Super Bowl Title, my guess is I will continue to disagree with his approach while smiling most of the time. LOL.

Seer1 09-19-2011 06:41 AM

Drew's on Payton's fantasy team.

skymike 09-19-2011 06:45 AM

I dont remember thinking, "Lets get Drew out of there," and usually, I am
one to want to be cautious with players health. The entire preseason,
all I think is, "Dont let Drew get hurt." I just never got to that part yesterday.

Of course, my emotion took over. I wanted the score runned up as much as possible, so Im not a good measure here. I wanted to score 70. I
wanted to see Bears fans crying down the slippery ramps.

jcp026 09-19-2011 06:51 AM

What bothers me about this game is that it WAS NOT BROADCAST IN SHREVEPORT! I missed the first half looking for a place to watch the game.

pinch 09-19-2011 07:24 AM

I don't have a problem with it at all. We were mostly running out of clock and the chance of something bad happening is so miniscule it's not worth worry about. There are other things that are more important.

What bothered me the most is that Pierre, obviously the better of our two backs, still isn't getting the lion's share of the carries. IMO, Ingram should have to prove he is the best RB of the team and he hasn't done that, but it appears he is already crowned.

Of course it didn't matter this week, but a week will come where it will.

skymike 09-19-2011 07:38 AM

yeah, but Pinch, you only have so many balls. really. I've seen this before. You get a team thats supposed to be all-world, because it has
all these horses, and there's not enough balls to go around, so somebody
gets wasted every time. prime example: '92 Oilers.

It speaks volumes about our players that none of them demand to be traded. Meech, Colston, Devery, and even Lance-- would be #1 on
most other teams. Getting crazy stats, making more $$$. becoming superstars. Yet they stay here, they play, they play quietly, and they play like a team.

Danno 09-19-2011 07:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pinch (Post 331584)
I don't have a problem with it at all. We were mostly running out of clock and the chance of something bad happening is so miniscule it's not worth worry about. There are other things that are more important.

What bothered me the most is that Pierre, obviously the better of our two backs, still isn't getting the lion's share of the carries. IMO, Ingram should have to prove he is the best RB of the team and he hasn't done that, but it appears he is already crowned.

Of course it didn't matter this week, but a week will come where it will.


Agreed, and you won't find a bigger Mark Ingram fan than me.

Maybe the staff just doesn't want to put too much workload on Pierre due to his injury last season.

I did think that after the fumble coach should have run Mark Ingram every play up the gut until the clock expired.

Post more Pinch.

Saint_LB 09-19-2011 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by skymike (Post 331592)
all these horses, and there's not enough balls to go around, so somebody
gets wasted every time. prime example: '92 Oilers.

:confused:

Euphoria 09-19-2011 07:46 AM

Injuries happen... Drew could get hurt tripping onto the bus.

I don't have a problem with it and I don't mind him taking the snaps and handing the ball off actually I think it was a good thing to work on since we have a Rookie RB.

Didn't bother me at all... didn't even think about it but I sure the heck wanted to see the play that was called for the fake field goal.

Budsdrinker 09-19-2011 08:11 AM

I understand leaving Brees in to finish what he started and getting the monkey off his back by finally beating the Bears but it would be nice when the game is in hand like this one to let Daniels get a few snaps just in case he is ever needed.

Saint_LB 09-19-2011 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Budsdrinker (Post 331600)
I understand leaving Brees in to finish what he started and getting the monkey off his back by finally beating the Bears but it would be nice when the game is in hand like this one to let Daniels get a few snaps just in case he is ever needed.

Well...they tried to get him one snap on that fake punt attempt but got a false start instead. I wonder what they had up their sleeve. Too bad, because whatever it was it probably doesn't have a chance of ever working again.

Beastmode 09-19-2011 08:17 AM

This division could come down to more than record. We need to keep leading in the points ratio. I'm fine with drew in as long as we are trying to score. If not take him out. Without him all we have is next season.

xan 09-19-2011 08:39 AM

The last two possessions were all runs. It would have been a freak play to cause an injury. Both teams were in laydown, essentially. Why risk a different kind of freak play introducing Chase, cold, into that mix.

strato 09-19-2011 09:30 AM

Running Ingram will pay dividends..It gets him the gamespeed exp he needs ..and it will help keep P.T healthy...i have no problem with both getting the carries...and remember Ivory will be back soon..we are set at RB..Splash in some Sproles and look out!:bng:

darstep 09-19-2011 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by jcp026 (Post 331574)
What bothers me about this game is that it WAS NOT BROADCAST IN SHREVEPORT! I missed the first half looking for a place to watch the game.

Wasn't that a blimp! I stopped by Applebees after church to find NASCAR...a rained out NASCAR on Fox. I couldn't believe it. Highlights still showed me a BUNCH of missed tackles. Makes me wonder how many tackles got missed outside of the highlight reel.

subguy 09-19-2011 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pinch (Post 331584)
I don't have a problem with it at all. We were mostly running out of clock and the chance of something bad happening is so miniscule it's not worth worry about. There are other things that are more important.

What bothered me the most is that Pierre, obviously the better of our two backs, still isn't getting the lion's share of the carries. IMO, Ingram should have to prove he is the best RB of the team and he hasn't done that, but it appears he is already crowned.

Of course it didn't matter this week, but a week will come where it will.

If you look at my post when we were predicting this weeks score I hit on this, I thought his production would increase in this game. Pierre is looking good and his numbers are good for the amount of production allowed. Maybe it is trying to keep folks from tiring and becoming more likely to be injured. I think Pierre will see the bulk of carries in a game where we really need him. He is also a little more versatile from the standpoint of receiving. But I also think Payton will go back to "sharing" the load. Ingram is going to be a really good back too as soon as he gets his groove.

AlaskaSaints 09-19-2011 12:00 PM

I wanted the score run up to run up the misery index of the Bears organization and their chump fans. This was an NFC game. Not a divisional, but a Conference game all the same. Points Fielded - Points Allowed. Individual and team stat's. Mojo. Bragging rights. Bloodlust. Revenge. There are thousands of reasons to keep playing.

The Bears would have steamrolled us if we had allowed it.

We've got enough weapons to run WIDE OPEN for 60 minutes and as long as Drew isn't scrambling backwards, he is in very little danger.

As far as that fake kick; I was with the linemen on this... What were we waiting for? The defense to figure out what the hell we were doing. I think the ball should have been snapped ten seconds ago! I was fuming.

Alaska

WhoDat!656 09-19-2011 12:47 PM

Don't forget about Jocquie Bell!!

saintfan 09-19-2011 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Seer1 (Post 331571)
Drew's on Payton's fantasy team.

Alright now that's funny rite dere

homerj07 09-19-2011 09:00 PM

Pros & COns to the argument. At this point it is moot... He did not get hurt - BUT what about next time?

UK_WhoDat 09-20-2011 08:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pinch (Post 331584)
......What bothered me the most is that Pierre, obviously the better of our two backs, still isn't getting the lion's share of the carries. IMO, Ingram should have to prove he is the best RB of the team and he hasn't done that......

I hear ya'.
But we are keeping it honest and we working Ingram into the game. I am sure it will pay dividends in the long term as we mix assignments. One side benefit could be keeping all of our 3 guys just that little bit fresher in weeks 10, 11, 12 and on.


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