Saints short-yardage problems.

darstep · 09-19-2011, 12:25 PM

I didn't get to watch the game...did they spread the field? or did they stack everybody and their momma up front and hope for the best?
3rd down effficiency was 2/12 16%. 4th down coversions were O-fer.
How did they try to do it?

strato · 09-19-2011, 12:29 PM

On one play Ingram took a toss play..if he cuts back he gets the 1st...but he is young ..he will learn..we did spread em out on the Meach TD..and it worked to perfection.

FireVenturi · 09-19-2011, 12:43 PM

I disagree that it's a playbook issue. I feel Sean has mixed it up pretty well so far. Up the middle, toss to the outside, play actions, spread em out by the goaline as well yesterday. It's an execution issue. If you can't block for one yard, play call doesn't matter much.

Budsdrinker · 09-19-2011, 12:46 PM

We also had a 3rd and 1 and tried a 12 yard pass in the endzone instead of a quick throw for the first.

AlaskaSaints · 09-19-2011, 01:16 PM

Frustrating for all. I'm sure Ingram is ready for his breakout as well.

All this talk about Ingram, but there's SPROLES. Holy shat!!! He runs like a Hall of Famer should run.

If he can stay healthy and we can spread him some ball a little more often, we'll be going places for sure.

Alaska

saintfan · 09-19-2011, 01:17 PM

I'ts the line, and it's not a new problem.

homerj07 · 09-19-2011, 09:01 PM

Hopefully the O-line will gell some more as the seaon goes on.

lumm0x · 09-19-2011, 10:12 PM

Our line has been an issue here. I don't think Kreutz is as good a run blocker as he is in diagnosing where he should be in pass protection. Nicks and Evans need to step it up too.

GAwhodat · 09-20-2011, 07:26 AM

I have a suggestion... Whats wrong with training one of our 300lb + Tackles to pull a Refrigerator on those 3rd/4th and shorts. I'd love to see someone stop a 300lb guy bulldozing through the line of scrimmage. Just pick a spot and plow through.. If I was on defense I'd make sure I wasn't in the way LOL.

FinSaint · 09-20-2011, 07:48 AM

I think that in the end the lack of success has to come down to play calling and design. SP knows where the weaknesses are in the O-Line and peripheral blocking, so he should call the plays that put the players in the best place to succeed and where their weaknesses are limited.

I know it might feel like a cop out to blame the play calling/design for the lack of production by the players, but ultimately that is where the responsibility must remain. Now, if a player isn't performing up to par - then either work on it with him in the practices or replace him with someone who can get the job done.

09-20-2011, 07:26 AM	#9
GAwhodat Registered Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 81	I have a suggestion... Whats wrong with training one of our 300lb + Tackles to pull a Refrigerator on those 3rd/4th and shorts. I'd love to see someone stop a 300lb guy bulldozing through the line of scrimmage. Just pick a spot and plow through.. If I was on defense I'd make sure I wasn't in the way LOL.
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09-20-2011, 07:48 AM	#10
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,964	I think that in the end the lack of success has to come down to play calling and design. SP knows where the weaknesses are in the O-Line and peripheral blocking, so he should call the plays that put the players in the best place to succeed and where their weaknesses are limited. I know it might feel like a cop out to blame the play calling/design for the lack of production by the players, but ultimately that is where the responsibility must remain. Now, if a player isn't performing up to par - then either work on it with him in the practices or replace him with someone who can get the job done.
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09-19-2011, 12:25 PM	#1
darstep SaintSince67 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: PortCity Posts: 2,044	I didn't get to watch the game...did they spread the field? or did they stack everybody and their momma up front and hope for the best? 3rd down effficiency was 2/12 16%. 4th down coversions were O-fer. How did they try to do it?

09-19-2011, 12:29 PM	#2
strato Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: "Little Ole Town in Tejas" Posts: 7,586	On one play Ingram took a toss play..if he cuts back he gets the 1st...but he is young ..he will learn..we did spread em out on the Meach TD..and it worked to perfection.

09-19-2011, 12:43 PM	#3
FireVenturi Cold as Ice! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Da Big Easy Posts: 2,978	I disagree that it's a playbook issue. I feel Sean has mixed it up pretty well so far. Up the middle, toss to the outside, play actions, spread em out by the goaline as well yesterday. It's an execution issue. If you can't block for one yard, play call doesn't matter much.

09-19-2011, 12:46 PM	#4
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	We also had a 3rd and 1 and tried a 12 yard pass in the endzone instead of a quick throw for the first.

09-19-2011, 01:16 PM	#5
AlaskaSaints 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Anchorage, AK Posts: 2,484 Blog Entries: 2	Frustrating for all. I'm sure Ingram is ready for his breakout as well. All this talk about Ingram, but there's SPROLES. Holy shat!!! He runs like a Hall of Famer should run. If he can stay healthy and we can spread him some ball a little more often, we'll be going places for sure. Alaska

09-19-2011, 01:17 PM	#6
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	I'ts the line, and it's not a new problem.

09-19-2011, 09:01 PM	#7
homerj07 In Doh We Trust Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Central Florida Posts: 7,027 Blog Entries: 16	Hopefully the O-line will gell some more as the seaon goes on.

09-19-2011, 10:12 PM	#8
lumm0x Resident antediluvian Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,026	Our line has been an issue here. I don't think Kreutz is as good a run blocker as he is in diagnosing where he should be in pass protection. Nicks and Evans need to step it up too.