statistics are the only facts.

you can dismiss them but thats because you dont want to believe the truth. fact is that ingram takes more short yardage carries and his ypc reflects that. 3.6 ypc is great for a short yardage back that gets most of his carried when the defense knows we are going to run

no we dont impose any running games because we dont run the ball enough. we are a pass first...pass second...and maybe run the ball third but probably pass team

ignore facts all you want but ur fighting a losing battle and ur going to end up blaming the wrong ppl

Dear God. Whatever man.

you wanna debate then debate.

you wanna pretend like ur right? defend ur stance with some facts that are going to back up ur claims

Here are some stats for you:

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/rushing"]2011 NFL Team Rushing Stats - National Football League - ESPN

I know what I see. I see a team that is not able to impose its will with the running game. You see what you want to see. Stats allow you to do that.

There are teams below our mid-level ranking who actually run for more YPC than we do. You know what that means you can do with your YPC right? Right. I think the younguns over at SR miss you. Later holmes.

ur looking at it completely wrong and SR has nothing to do with this

teams can run for more ypc but over the course of a season the teams that can run the ball effectively will show statistically. last year we managed over 4 ypc throughout the season and still didnt run the ball. that was supposedly because of injuries.

now we are healthy and are still doing well running the ball but fail to commit to it on any level.

stats allow me to use completely unbiased facts to support an opinion that ive come up with. u ignore the stats because they dont support an opinion that youve come up with...so find something else because so far it just sounds like ur wrong but wont admit it

Thanks little man, but I don't need a lesson okay? Few people (if any) here do. The kids at SR may have caused you to think otherwise. You brought up YPC as your 'evidence', not me. I just showed you were you screwed up...with stats.

You can spin the stats any way you want. That's what people do with stats. That's why people have debated using them in ever facet of human history and why the debate will continue. A truly unbiased opinion considers that. You do not. I am and have been aware of this. But you aren't the only one. The internet is full of folks like that.

This isn't about me admitting I'm wrong or professing I'm right. We don't run the ball very well. If you're a numbers guy you can see that if by nothing else that looking at where we rank...by the numbers. Of course the numbers don't tell the whole story - they NEVER do - which most of us concede. Most of us...with a few noted exceptions...

The last few posts in this thread will show that to a reasonable person.

Now...looking at those stats I just pointed you to, I'd say the Raiders are a damn good running football team. In a league of 32, the Saints are middle of the pack. If that's good to you then okay. Clearly we have different standards with which we measure success. We struggle to run the ball when we need to. Period. Stats over the course of the season will show you that. Or you could just watch the game.

Either way I don't care what you do.