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what the heck is going on?...GW is reveered as this defensive genius...is he?
high risk/high reward doesnt work if we get no pressure...where are all the exotic blitzes? which one of the 36 packages GW told the fox guys about were we using on that option play? we give up too many big plays due to poor tackling

Thoughts?

We could start by just straight up cutting Shanle, before the plane even leaves carolina..then we figure out what else is wrong from there.

Right on. Very frustrating. It was ours to win at the beginning. It was Carolina's to win at the end. And that is a shame.

in all seriousness though, that Cam kid is going to be GREAT. He really looks NOTHING like a rookie.

As bad as we all criticize G.W. and the defense and regardless of the statistics they give up.

They've been getting the job done most of the time.

The Panthers wouldn't even have been in the game if the referees would learn how to consistently call a roughing the passer call...

I thought we would have more sacks and big plays on defense

Very frustrating, very frustrating, very frustrating, very frustrating. I can't say enough. Did we give up and 3rd and 15.

Our so called professional football players on D can't tackle for jack.

For the life of me I can't figure out why out boys, yes boys, would try and tackle high on Williams not once but a few times everyone going high on a freakin RB. I mean if it was Bush ok, but Williams come on man. Tackle low and wrap the hell up.

This is all about coaching and we aren't doing it... this crap keeps up Greg can go bye bye.

They've been taught to always look for the strip, but most of the time ya gotta secure the tackle!

G.W. could slightly alter his philosophy and we could be better...

Im disappointed with the inability to wrap up and tackle, but in GW defense it is not wise to blitz a mobile QB like Newton. Especially when he can also make tough throws unlike a Vick. Cam has put up nearly 400 yds passing on every team he has faced thus far, including the Packers defense. Not on us though. He had a little over 250 if I am not mistaken. Not saying our D doesnt need work, but they arent that bad.

For sure, the Panties are a good team, their record does not reflect their play. They should be 3-2 I think. But it is kind of annoying how Greg Williams gets anointed this defensive coordinator guru by every sports caster that talks about him. I'm kind of sick of it, GW is good, but he has not shown "Defensive guru" type play calling as of late, (by as of late, I mean its been a hell of a long time). They need to have a big defensive game, maybe this upcoming weekend against the Tampon Bay?

We have to much breakdowns, say we get pressure from the left then the pressure from the right is nonexistant and vice versa. Greer did a horrible job on that long pass Smit caught, same with Jenkins on Williams TD run. I was expecting bigger things from Jenkins this year but I just haven't seen it yet. What does make me happy is that we play quite bad and still come out with a win.

Until this starts costing us actual games, I think everyone needs to chill on this subject. The Panthers had a top 5 offense coming into this game.

The Panthers were averaging 428 yards per game and had the 5th ranked offense coming into this game. We held them to 381 yards which is lower than their average. I'm actually more worried about our run defense than our pass defense because it seems like at least once per game, we give up a monster run play which goes for 60 yards or so. That is disconcerting.

Also, btw, the Panthers had the 14th ranked defense coming into this game and held their opponents to an average of about 350 yards per game and we rolled up about 450 yards on them.

I think the real problem with this particular game was that the officiating was horse****. Can I say horse**** here? I'm not sure I hope I don't get banned lol.

Pretty much sums up what I'm thinking as well.


I almost punched myself out of frustration after the lackluster effort Jenkins showed on Williams' TD... I thought he was supposed to become a superstar this season?!

I think it is safe to say that the Panties have found a QB to build around. They could get scary good over the next few seasons. It will be interesting.

The good news is Atlanta looks like crap. :D

Like others the most important thing we need to be teaching is squaring-up and tackling. Having 300 packages is useless if our guys can't tackle properly. For the life of me I can't understand how we can't gain a yard on bubble screens yet opposing offenses are able to get about 10 yards a pop on us. It's sad to watch.

I also have the feeling that we may be asking our guys to do too much with all of the different looks. It's not like the complex schemes are allowing us to pile-up sacks or turnovers (I believe we're -3 on the year). On a few of the misdirection plays (like the option) we had guys who were so far out of position they weren't even on camera. Those are mental errors for which there is really no excuse at this point in the season, and it could be that we're so worried about confusing the opposing offenses that we're confusing ourselves.

While tackling was bad, and though I'm also concerned with the consistency and game planning of our defense, on the Smith touchdown, Greer had very good coverage. Steve Smith made a great play and those are plays you just got to tip your hat to him.

The rules of the game strongly favors the offense. You can't touch a QB or WR without getting flagged. The Saints have one NFL quality LB. They don't have a true NFL quality pass rusher. Harper is a liability in coverage. Tackling is a lost art in the NFL and the Saints are in no danger of bucking that trend. With all that being said, I truly think they have actually improved since the season started. And, I think the improvement will continue.

Tired of seeing dropping in zone coverage on 3rd and long and giving up a long gain for a first down. Bring the pressure.

[/QUOTE] This crap keeps up Greg can go bye bye.[/QUOTE]

If Scott Shanles nickname is Greg then yes if not then

Whomp Whomp
FAIL OF THE WEEK! Not even. *FAIL OF THE MONTH*

I feel Scott Shanle is no longer useful. DeAngelo Williams ran up and down his side right by him. Dunbar and Casillias can hold the OLB. Tackling needs to be better I dont like how were always almost in position to make a play on passes. I think they need to do a better job making adjustments on the ball since we blitz so much we gotta play less zone and more man, we give up some big plays in zone. Teams will stay outta the middle and try more outside runs to avoid Rogers and Frankiln so the OLB's mainly Shanle has to play better. He's a BUM! I think he must've seen Benson at a cat house or something I dont know why hes still on the team.

Giving up big plays like Thomas and David were back, and tackling like it's a training camp no-contact drill.
Eventually it will cost us

Our defence really scares me as well, but I am pleased that we are able to find a way to win so far. Williams has got to tighten these guys up before the late season games, or I am afraid the playoffs will be a short season again. Lots of time yet though, and so far we have dodged a few bullets. I remain hopeful that this can get fixed.

We've been getting massacred defensively when we don't bring the heat. Prime examples is the first half of the Houston game and the whole game against the Packers. We need to create pressure to force them to make errant throws to capitalize when we run our zone coverage. I think we are over-analyzing and need to stop playing chess on defense.

Go rip their faces off and attack the ball. Get offensive on defense.

A lot of defenses are struggling this year. GB has looked liked Swiss cheese and they are undefeated. This may be the first year you can start saying....Offense wins championships!!!!

Absolutely right - we should. Good thing the "O" is so good becasue sometimes the "D" plays like it has its collective head up its buttocks!! :doh:

I'm very impress by this guy were going to have a problem with him in the future.

We're too deep on third and SHORT, more-less third and long. I say this in agreement with you.

Unfortunately, the road will go through Lambeau in early January. No doubt about that.


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Defense keps giving up big plays, eventually the Offense won't be there to bail them out. It will be a killer in a big game.

The most telling thing about our "D", without diving in to stats (which never tell the whole story good or bad) or over-thinking this or that is this:

Carolina ran the OPTION on us successfully. This is the NFL, and they were having good results running the OPTION. You really don't have to look beyond that, do you?

um....kinda like the green bay game?...offense kicked ass but d gave up alot

At least twice! I almost lost it when I saw that. I even commented on it on the live chat. I couldn't believe it.

I think our defense gave them hell, actually.

Look at the last Carolina scoring drive. They got 2 timely penalties,
but otherwise struggled to find the EZ. Eventually, something's gonna
break free, which it did, but I think our D gave em hell.

Did you see the hit Vilma put on SCam? After that, he really didnt want any more. If you watch the replay of him throwing the TD, he was all set
to flinch, and was expecting to be hit again. They just happened to get one easy opening. They got lucky and they got help, and when it came down to the drive that really mattered, we stuffed em, even with the refs helping them. That last drive wasnt even close to a threat. Also notice
on the hail Mary, how we didnt just sit back and rush 3. Newton had no chance.

DeAngelo Williams is gonna run somebody over. Steve Smith will bite once. They ran a college trick play. Whoop de doo.

Call me crazy, but im seeing this D get better every week. This wont even be a close game when it comes to the Dome.

The scary thing is that with the new NFL darling back there, you won't even be able to touch him if he does pitch it on the option. Did you see Harper pull up?
Of course, a better question might be where were the DE and OLB on that play, but that's a different thread

thats a great point.

Both were washed way inside, and with Harper blitzing it was an absolutely perfect play call. Even if Harper played Williams, Cam turns it upfield untouched for a huge gain.

Any NFL team could probably pull off the college option play, because it is completely unexpected.

But really, how smart is it to run the option in the NFL? Would you want us doing this with Brees?

Jerry Glanville says This aint college, Ron. You're not at a Homecoming. This is the N.F.L, which stands for Not For Long, which will describe SCam Newton's career, if you keep calling plays like that.

Newton already got the business end of Jon Vilma on their last scoring drive. Go ahead. Make our day.