Its time... FIRE GREG WILLIAMS

strato · 10-17-2011, 09:07 AM

If anything..we need to rebuild the Offensive and Defensive lines in the offseason..

Mardigras9 · 10-17-2011, 09:11 AM

D was no worse yesterday than they have been all year. Front four gets no pressure. So we split with Tampa, still win the division, and looks like have to go to Green Bay in January. If the D does not improve through the rest of the season, our post-season will be short lived.

Ashley · 10-17-2011, 09:23 AM

Our d just sucks. I'm lost for words and don't even know who to blame. Players and staff . I love my team, just calling it on how I see it.

Euphoria · 10-17-2011, 09:28 AM

I agree with we are in a constant state of rebuild but when you bring in a bunch of players you need someone who is a teacher and a coach. I saw it when Williams was first here but now... I just don't see it.

I don't have a problem pointing the finger at a player for not being as good as he can be at the position. But Williams is billed as a coach that puts players in positions to make plays and he picked these players. They all signed off on these players. In the off season we can rebuild and what does that call for... cutting or firing players. The same can be done to coaches who aren't doing their jobs.

strato · 10-17-2011, 09:31 AM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

I agree with we are in a constant state of rebuild but when you bring in a bunch of players you need someone who is a teacher and a coach. I saw it when Williams was first here but now... I just don't see it.

I don't have a problem pointing the finger at a player for not being as good as he can be at the position. But Williams is billed as a coach that puts players in positions to make plays and he picked these players. They all signed off on these players. In the off season we can rebuild and what does that call for... cutting or firing players. The same can be done to coaches who aren't doing their jobs.

The main problem is no pressure up front...thats not on G.W...they are square up on their man...they have to beat them ....they cant...thats not G.Ws fault man....they have to do better.

Danno · 10-17-2011, 09:40 AM

Originally Posted by strato

The main problem is no pressure up front...thats not on G.W...they are square up on their man...they have to beat them ....they cant...thats not G.Ws fault man....they have to do better.

Yep, and when the front 4 can't pressure, you have to try and manufacture pressure with blitzes.

The blitzes aren't getting there either. What else is Gregg supposed to do?

The only blame I can throw his way isn't scheme related, its players underachieving, which ultimately is his responsibility.

Our D-line should give their gamechecks to charity.

Euphoria · 10-17-2011, 10:09 AM

Originally Posted by strato

The main problem is no pressure up front...thats not on G.W...they are square up on their man...they have to beat them ....they cant...thats not G.Ws fault man....they have to do better.

WHAT... its always the coaches fault!!!

He is the one who sets the starting line up... he is the one that coaches them up. He is the one who makes the game plan. He is the one who makes the play calls.

It is always the Coaches is fault.

One could make the argument as HC its Sean's fault as well.

If a ship goes down, Captain is always to blame.

strato · 10-17-2011, 10:14 AM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

WHAT... its always the coaches fault!!!

He is the one who sets the starting line up... he is the one that coaches them up. He is the one who makes the game plan. He is the one who makes the play calls.

It is always the Coaches is fault.

One could make the argument as HC its Sean's fault as well.

If a ship goes down, Captain is always to blame.

Yeah and that aint always right...the players have to do their part to..and they aren't doing it...would you agree on that..

You can scream and teach all you want ..but you cant get out there and play for them..

the O flat out stunk...should we fire Payton as well?...lets see how they respond..remember this coach had the D playing well with different players...makes you wonder..

saintfan · 10-17-2011, 01:02 PM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

WHAT... its always the coaches fault!!!

He is the one who sets the starting line up... he is the one that coaches them up. He is the one who makes the game plan. He is the one who makes the play calls.

It is always the Coaches is fault.

One could make the argument as HC its Sean's fault as well.

If a ship goes down, Captain is always to blame.

When Greg is allowed to draft the players he wants and to sign the players he wants without regard to Loomis, Tom, Rita, and Sean, THEN it's his fault.

He's not doing anything now he wasn't doing in 2009. The issue is the level of talent, not the coach. That's just my .02.

SaintsRule11 · 10-17-2011, 09:47 AM

I'm not sure firing Gregg Williams is the answer, but I can tell you this: In my fantasy football league I do not hesitate playing people from whichever offense is facing the Saints that particular week. We can't stop anyone and we are getting no turnovers whatsoever (unless Cam Newton throws the ball directly to Patrick Robinson, for instance).

10-17-2011, 09:07 AM	#1
strato Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: "Little Ole Town in Tejas" Posts: 7,586	If anything..we need to rebuild the Offensive and Defensive lines in the offseason.. Rugby Saint II, Michigan_SF and SaintsRule11 like this.

10-17-2011, 09:23 AM	#3
Ashley Site Donor Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Colorado Springs Co Posts: 2,760	Our d just sucks. I'm lost for words and don't even know who to blame. Players and staff . I love my team, just calling it on how I see it. Rugby Saint II likes this.

10-17-2011, 09:28 AM	#4
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	I agree with we are in a constant state of rebuild but when you bring in a bunch of players you need someone who is a teacher and a coach. I saw it when Williams was first here but now... I just don't see it. I don't have a problem pointing the finger at a player for not being as good as he can be at the position. But Williams is billed as a coach that puts players in positions to make plays and he picked these players. They all signed off on these players. In the off season we can rebuild and what does that call for... cutting or firing players. The same can be done to coaches who aren't doing their jobs.
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10-17-2011, 09:31 AM	#5
strato Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: "Little Ole Town in Tejas" Posts: 7,586	Originally Posted by Euphoria I agree with we are in a constant state of rebuild but when you bring in a bunch of players you need someone who is a teacher and a coach. I saw it when Williams was first here but now... I just don't see it. I don't have a problem pointing the finger at a player for not being as good as he can be at the position. But Williams is billed as a coach that puts players in positions to make plays and he picked these players. They all signed off on these players. In the off season we can rebuild and what does that call for... cutting or firing players. The same can be done to coaches who aren't doing their jobs. The main problem is no pressure up front...thats not on G.W...they are square up on their man...they have to beat them ....they cant...thats not G.Ws fault man....they have to do better.

10-17-2011, 09:40 AM	#6
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,757	Originally Posted by strato The main problem is no pressure up front...thats not on G.W...they are square up on their man...they have to beat them ....they cant...thats not G.Ws fault man....they have to do better. Yep, and when the front 4 can't pressure, you have to try and manufacture pressure with blitzes. The blitzes aren't getting there either. What else is Gregg supposed to do? The only blame I can throw his way isn't scheme related, its players underachieving, which ultimately is his responsibility. Our D-line should give their gamechecks to charity. iceshack149 likes this.

10-17-2011, 09:11 AM	#2
Mardigras9 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Land Mass between LA and AL Posts: 4,375	D was no worse yesterday than they have been all year. Front four gets no pressure. So we split with Tampa, still win the division, and looks like have to go to Green Bay in January. If the D does not improve through the rest of the season, our post-season will be short lived.

10-17-2011, 10:09 AM	#7
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Originally Posted by strato The main problem is no pressure up front...thats not on G.W...they are square up on their man...they have to beat them ....they cant...thats not G.Ws fault man....they have to do better. WHAT... its always the coaches fault!!! He is the one who sets the starting line up... he is the one that coaches them up. He is the one who makes the game plan. He is the one who makes the play calls. It is always the Coaches is fault. One could make the argument as HC its Sean's fault as well. If a ship goes down, Captain is always to blame. AlaskaSaints and SaintsRule11 like this.

10-17-2011, 10:14 AM	#8
strato Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: "Little Ole Town in Tejas" Posts: 7,586	Originally Posted by Euphoria WHAT... its always the coaches fault!!! He is the one who sets the starting line up... he is the one that coaches them up. He is the one who makes the game plan. He is the one who makes the play calls. It is always the Coaches is fault. One could make the argument as HC its Sean's fault as well. If a ship goes down, Captain is always to blame. Yeah and that aint always right...the players have to do their part to..and they aren't doing it...would you agree on that.. You can scream and teach all you want ..but you cant get out there and play for them.. the O flat out stunk...should we fire Payton as well?...lets see how they respond..remember this coach had the D playing well with different players...makes you wonder..

10-17-2011, 01:02 PM	#9
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Originally Posted by Euphoria WHAT... its always the coaches fault!!! He is the one who sets the starting line up... he is the one that coaches them up. He is the one who makes the game plan. He is the one who makes the play calls. It is always the Coaches is fault. One could make the argument as HC its Sean's fault as well. If a ship goes down, Captain is always to blame. When Greg is allowed to draft the players he wants and to sign the players he wants without regard to Loomis, Tom, Rita, and Sean, THEN it's his fault. He's not doing anything now he wasn't doing in 2009. The issue is the level of talent, not the coach. That's just my .02.

10-17-2011, 09:47 AM	#10
SaintsRule11 100th Post Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 277	I'm not sure firing Gregg Williams is the answer, but I can tell you this: In my fantasy football league I do not hesitate playing people from whichever offense is facing the Saints that particular week. We can't stop anyone and we are getting no turnovers whatsoever (unless Cam Newton throws the ball directly to Patrick Robinson, for instance).
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