Would you trade for Asante Samuel?
 

He's on the trading block and he's been there since August. Nice ballhawking DB that would fit in GW defense. Im liking what im seeing in Patrick Robinson, but I believe Porter and Greed have taken a step backwards. Would you like to see him in black and gold

Haven't you learned anything? We need pass rush.

No pass rush to compliment his skills. Just another DB running around.

This is the same as the idea of trading for WR Lloyd last weekend. Give up what picks and why? Is CB the position that the Saints need to focus on above all others?:nono:

Saints have 14 sacks this year and that puts us 4 behind the second best sack total but we r at the bottom of the int stat. 28 I believe so what does that tell you FF. We are getting a pass rush but we aren't covering WR well. Blown coverage after blown coverage. Or haven't you learned anything?

Send them Adrian Arrington and Shanle for Samuel.

Pass. We have the sacks but no constant rush, Freeman was barely touched during the whole game, that was a lot bigger problem than the DBs.

I agree we need a pass rush but I am getting tired of seeing DB's drop interceptions or just batting them down instead of making the catch.

Our Dbs are ok with the exception of Harper. I feel a good pass rush and better linebacker play would only help our Dbs be better. We need to address our front 4 and Lb play first.

You do realize that NT Vince Wilfork has more INT's than our DB's!

Sure we have 14 sacks, 11 of those were on Cutler.
We are getting no pressure from the front 4 and MOST times with 6 we don't get there.
That leaves us vulnerable beyond 3.5 seconds, especially if we bring the house.
Very few DB's in the league can cover for more than 3.5 seconds.
Once the QB slips away, and there's a free for all down field, we are toast.
Now somebody has to make a tackle up field, probably somebody slow, with no angle.
Our troubles are front side. Our front 4 are last on the tackle list every week,
and our DB's are first on the list, every week. We are giving up 5.1 per rush.
After run support, our DB's have nothing left for pass coverage.
I would give up Hartley for Samuels.

Excellent points. Omitting the Cutler sacks (he's on pace to shatter the NFL sacked record) we're averaging 1.6 sacks per game. Jared Allen (that guy everyone made fun of) has more sacks than our entire team.

Thats pathetic.

Its pointless debating what we need on D.

I mean we need everything don't we? Can't stop the run, can get a pass rush and can't cover a soul.

Before we make any trades we should get Sharper back even if he can't go being on the sideline is an improvement.

At Sharper's age you might be wishing for Bullocks back. ;)

Greer taken a step back this year? He looks better than he did last season. I think he's playing quite well.

Everything starts at DT. If we can't light a fire under Rogers, Franklin, Ellis, and Johnson's behind, it doesn't matter who we trade for.

That said, no I don't want Asante. While a good player, he has a fat contract and we have quality corners. Luxury acquisition... not a need.

DB's need to play the ball, not the tackle after the ball is delivered.

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All im saying is this. Is our pass rush the best? No. Can they do better? Hell yes. But we are getting to the Qb. D-LINE and the Secondary go hand and hand. You can get to the QB all day but if your secondary guys can't cover for long its going to be a short throw that leads to a long TD run. I like Harper but you line him up against most TE in the league he's going to get beat. I guarantee you that you will never hear "that was a great coverage sack by the Saints". Our secondary was our biggest strength in 09 and now its a weakness. But im a secondary guy so I might be a lil bias.

Half of our sacks came against J.Cutler -_-

We've got enough talent at the CB position to get it done, need Front Seven improvement.

I don't think there is a safety in the league that can cover today's breed of TE's. Name one that can cover Jimmy Graham. We have to get up on the guys at the line and knock them off their route and mess up their timing. This 10 yard cushion is killing us.

Yeah, that, and giving the QB time to check his email before he has to decide where to throw the ball isn't helping either. :brood:

I agree. Bump and run and blitz more because we can't get pressure with just 4....or 5....or 6, lol

Since Harper can't cover, we should run the 46 and blitz him on everyplay...

It could be a whole new position to football...the Blitzback...

Actually he graded out in pass coverage pretty decent in most games this year, according to PFF stats.

Post the link, not trying to antagonize, I'd like to read that...

ProFootballFocus is a PPV site (about $40.00 per year), and I got Defensive back snapshots from a poster on that "other" Saint's site. He's linked all 6 weeks. I'm not sure Mark would appreciate my linking anything to that site.

Week 1 and 2, Harper was in the red (not good) but weeks 3 thru 6 he was in the black (good). Porter has graded out badly and Greer is up and down. P-Rob has graded out very well over the last few weeks too.

Ohh another tidbit I found interesting... Cam Jordan and Junior Galette graded out best of our D-line (IIRC)

HELL YEAH!! some1 needs to show these young bucks when and WHEN NOT to "take your shot." u can't jump every play cause they will use that against u, ask roman harper about that. plus we need a new tackling tutor cause for some reason these grown men somehow forgot how to do it!!!

I don't know anything about ProFootballFocus but did this take into account that Will Smith missed the first two games? (The fatty's in the middle of the Saints D-line do seem underwhelming.)

They are..Galette is hustling to the ball more than Smith....and Jordan is playing the run pretty good...thats a good sign..on another note when is Johnny Patrick coming back...he was showing promise as well...

With Porter, Greer, Robinson, Harper, and Jenkins...I think those guys are studs. Harper is a hitter, not great in cover...but I think you need a guy like Harper and Jenkins at safety. Guys that will unload on the other guy when given a chance.

Where our LB'ers are at on the field makes a difference, too.

However, with all that said, I have gone down on record a long time ago as saying that consistent, fierce pressure on the QB all day long makes all-pros out of guys like the ones previously mentioned.

Lets face it.... we need a butt kickin, hell raisin, head ripper-offer LineBacker.

O-Line and Defense needs to be our entire focus in the draft and FA this year. Not just picking up guys that "Have potential".

I'm not sticking up for Shanle anymore. The guy is a bum and needs to be gone.

...to death!!!

Every since Payton came here he has tried to get better at corner. He went defense last year and needs to do it again. However, Oline is gonna need some improvements because we can't run with what we have.

I recognize that there are problems going on, but I am gonna hold out and wait a bit longer for our BRAND NEW SECONDARY COACH to kind of gel and find his footing, before I throw the likes of Greer and Porter and the whole secondary under the bus. The problem in the secondary right now is not lack of player talent, it's coaching (and lack of pressure on the QB).

Secondary aggravations that people talk about here week in and week out, this season:

- ridiculous 10 yard cushion off the receiver
- dropping/not catching INTS on the hands or right on the numbers
- jumping routes on pump fakes and getting burned a la the Seattle game
- bad tackling



and yet all these same guys we're talking about, 18 months or so ago, they USED to do these things really well, even sometimes were GREAT at it.

It's got to be coaching -- I'm fairly convinced that a significant chunk of the current lame-ness in the secondary is related to 1) no pressure on the QB and to 2) Dennis Allen leaving as secondary coach to go to the Broncos. Because up until the end of last season these same exact group of guys used to look a lot BETTER out there. What changed? The secondary coach!

I had not thought about that. Good point!

We have needs throughout the "D". One of them may be a defensive coordinator. THe league has/is catching on to GW