The Truth about Greg Williams
 

Ok so I did some research about our DC, the results will shock you! But they really should not.

Titans 97-2000
97 - 12th PTS, 22nd YDS, 9th in Takeaways
98 - 12th PTS, 16th YDS, 15th in Takeaways
99 - 15th PTS, 17th YDS, 2nd in Takeaways
00 - 2nd PTS, 1st YDS, 16th in Takeaways

Redskins 04-07
04 - 5th PTS, 3rd YDS, 20th in Takeaways
05 - 9th PTS, 9th YDS, 14th in Takeaways
06 - 27th PTS, 31 YDS, 23rd in Takeaways
07 - 11th PTS, 8th YDS, 21st in Takeaways

Jaguars 08
08 - 21st PTS, 17th YDS, 25th in Takeaways

Saints 09-10
09 - 20th PTS, 25th YDS, 3rd in Takeaways
10 - 7th PTS, 4th YDS, 23rd in Takeaways

So it seems Greg's defenses do very poorly in the take away area. He has only been in the top 10, 3 times (97,99,09). Between 10-20, Greg has only had it done 3 times. (98,00,2005) So in 12 years as a DC, he has only been in the top twenty's of Takeaways 6 times.

Greg has only been in the top 10 in PTS 4 times (00,04,05,10). Greg has only been in the top 10 in YDS 5 times (00,04,05,07,10).

Greg's AVG in points - 13th
Greg's AVG in yards - 14th
Greg's AVG in takeaways - 16th

So maybe Greg is the issue with the defense. His teams just cant seem to generate turnovers.

The stats for 2011 - 22nd PTS, 15th YDS, 25th in takeaways.

Lets hear your thoughts.

My thoughts...

Super Bowl XLIV

New Orleans Saints 31 Indianapolis Colts 17

If Payton is willing to shed his salary to make sure we secure Williams' services, that's good enough for me.

I am not bashing the guy, under Greg the saints will be average. History shows this. Also getting takeaways will be like pulling teeth. Granted this year there have been some drops by DB's, but lets hope the season improves.

Also Sean did not want to fire Gibbs, who had a great first year in 2006 then stunk it up.

The thing is that the Saints' D does not need to be the best in the league in any category - they only need to be at least as good as the D on the other side of the field on any given Sunday.

The Saints' O should ultimately be the one to carry the team to its victories with Brees as the QB, while the D should just take care not to be the reason why they lost a given game.

GW's D philosophy is one of high risk/high reward, and while the stats may state that historically the risk has not payed off... it sure makes for some entertaining games! :popcorn:

Is that a scapegoat?

Yep

OMG... I thought it was his date. :D

BAHHHH HAHHHHHH....bout like this thread

What about his assistants? I.E. Line coach, LB coach, DB coach. As much as our line has sucked through the years, I'd like to say that person needs to go. Whoever is teaching these guy's how to tackle definitely needs to be canned.

I think this is what some people fail to understand. We don't need to have the top defense... or even one of the top defenses in this league to accomplish our goal. We've done it before... as have many other teams that has won a Superbowl.

This is correct you do not have to have the best D, but if you don't you better be getting turnovers.

The last 8 Superbowl winners have all been in the top 10 in at-least 1 of the 3 categories.

The last 8 Superbowl losers with the exception of 1 (Cardinals) have been in the top 10 in at-least 1 of the 3 categories.

In fact 6 of the 8 Superbowl winners have been in the top 10 in turnovers.

Packers 2nd points, 5th yards, 4th turnovers
Saints 20th Points, 25th yards, 3rd Turnovers
Steelers 1st Points, 1st yards, 11th turnovers
Giants 17th points, 7th yards, 26th turnovers
Colts 17th points, 21st yards, 6th turnovers
Steelers 3rd points, 4th yards, 9th turnovers
Patriots 2 points, 9th yards, 8th turnovers
Patriots 1st points, 7th yards, 2nd turnovers

There is also something to be said about getting hot at the right time. The 2007 giants and the 2008 Cardinals turned into turnover machines in the playoffs.

I think the saints defense is decent, and the rams game was an improvement in terms of the Saints Defense. But right now the D is not dominating in any category.

Again I am actually a Greg Williams supporter, just stating the facts.

I saw three dropped INTS this week...our DBs just cant catch..when we had Sharper back there we feasted...i don't think we can be a dominate D with our personnel... If we can get to middle of the road..with our offense that would be enough....

Indeed the entire secondary seems to have stone hands.

I think the biggest issue has to be the dropped interceptions, which has been occurring all season long. Gregg Williams is running a high risk/high reward type of defense, but seriously, when you get a chance at the high reward play, like an interception, you need to capitalize on it.

And all this comes back to the db coach leaving to the Broncos.

Talked to one of his former players, turnovers is not the big key to the defence for GW. getting to the QB is, thats why we are blitzing like crazy. Turnovers is just a positive side-effect.

I think we should look a the players as well as the coaching. Our D line and secondary are overrated by us locals, and the linebackers....well yea, they stink. Vilma has to be hurting more than anyone is leading on. he doesn't look like he wants to be out there at times.

He does look less animated this year, not much emotion. Even when they make a solid play. The long 3rd down conversions though are becoming too frequent. 3rd and 12, 3rd and 15....very troubling. Add to that the missed turnovers opportunities. Brees has to have an amazing performance to compensate for it. He can do it but not every single game.

I want a really great defense hard hitting, head banging, sure tackling group of stud horses out there, if any of you see just 1 let me know. We don't see any of the good play that we are capable until we have a good lead,my question is why. I know we can play better than than we do, we have good players.

Its the front 4 and sub-par LB play, including Vilma.

Exactly, front four get no pressure. DB's have been OK, LB's are hit or miss (Shanle is the weakest). These guys are professionals, tackling shouldn't need to be taught.

Not just the front four. Specifically its the DE's and the OLB.

MLB and our DT's aren't playing well either.

I've been disappointed with the performances of the two new FA DTs - Franklin and Rogers - because I thought that they would be able to create more push and draw double teams, which would free up the two 3-techs - Ellis and Johnson - to inflict some serious damage and/or allow the DEs to cause a lot of pressure on the QB.

That has not happened yet, but I'm hopeful that because the Saints have been able to have great rotation with the big guys through the first half of the season, they'll be more fresh at the end of the season than some of the O-line guys they are facing, and because of that it'll be a complete massacre of opposing QBs come playoff time. :twisted:


...oh, and I almost choked with laughter while watching FOX's broadcast of the Sunday's game when they presented the starting defensive line-up of the Saints and Tim Ryan said: "love the linebackers." :pink:

Where's Danny Clarke?...

Rogers seems to be non-existent. If he's not going to start producing, he needs to be 4th in the rotational chart after Ellis, Franklin, and Johnson. On paper, our interior defensive line looks great. I was okay giving them a pass for struggling earlier in the season due to lack of camp and the building of chemistry, but they should be playing much better by now. They need to get on their game because we can't do jack if our DT's aren't getting push and necessitating double teams.

I agree..why with all that beef are teams able to gauge us right up the gut..i know some are cutbacks ..but you would think they would be disciplined enough to stay in their lanes. They always seem to flow to wrong side .

Im as equally as concerned with the O-Line...

If you watch closely, most of those lanes DO have a Saint body in it. The problem is, most of the time, we don't make the flippin tackle!! Roman Harper is the worst at this. Vilma has whiffed quite a few himself.

I agree ,but you have to admit they over pursue a lot..Harper and Vilma whiff about as much as the rest......Harper is good at rushing the QB... maybe we should move him to LB..

In theory that would be a great idea. The only problem is Harper is not big enough. Most of his sacks are straight line hits. I don't think he would be good at getting through blocks. JMO.

Oh i know..we have discussed it..he couldn't hold up at his weight...just shows how much we need good LBs.

Maybe we should move Harper to LB, Jenkins to SS and sign Sharper to FS?

Sharper isn't probably up for NFL level, because that is the only reason I can come up with that no team in the league has signed him, and only one (Patriots) called him up to even take a look.

Harper's too small to play LB
Jenkins isn't a SS, he's a FS
Sharper is too old and too slow