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QBREES9 11-10-2011 10:44 AM

Oh god no it's his rookie year.

st thomas 11-10-2011 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by strato (Post 346933)
Oh..and i didn't read the article..

i'm not reading it either strat, i refuse to give jokers like that any props for something that makes no sense, i have no regrets about picking ingram in the draft and if the guy had 20+ carries a game would put him with elite rookies, its mambo jumbo yak smack jack. one bad step and he gets hurt heck it happens to the best.

Cruize 11-10-2011 11:32 AM

Nope.

st thomas 11-10-2011 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Crusader (Post 347103)
I'm only disappointed that he hasn't been used more. IMHO Ingram is the type of back that needs 20-25 or even 30 carries a game to be effective. He'll grind and grind and grind and then eventualy break a long one.

u can say that again crusader, keep feeding it to him till something breaks. just don't let him jump. lol ivory on the other hand would'nt hold up with to many carries

SapperSaint 11-10-2011 02:01 PM

I really don't see how anyone can justify disapointment in Ingram. My Lord, when your teams has...

1. PT
2. Darren Sproles (Who, by the way is out there just about every play)
and
3. Chris Ivory (Now)

Mark is not going to get 20 touches a game. I think he has done just fine his rookie year.

Euphoria 11-10-2011 02:57 PM

I just think its really stupid to judge a rookie.

You have to give them time to learn and adjust to the faster game. RB is maybe the one of the easiest to adapt to but sometimes its harder to see the field early on because so much is being thrown at you that you have tunnel vision when you are running the play.

Give him 2-3 years before we start talking about this.

Kryptonite 11-10-2011 03:28 PM

Like it's been stated here before, our offensive designed/scheme isn't geared for a pro bowl back. It's just not going to happen. I'm only disappointed in his usage and play calling that's it. Not able to get in the endzone in the GB game? Hell, we've sucked at that even in '09. Remember, the SB? We couldn't get it in then either. Defenses get too good of a push on our O line. Everytime! I was kind of surprise though that they would trade up to get a RB with such great potential. IMHO, his skills and value will never be realize playing for Payton. Nothing wrong with that from a Saints fan standpoint. Just wonder how he's going to fell about it in 2 yrs.

Memnoch_TP 11-10-2011 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 347127)
Dude, you made a great point about the Saints needing a running back in the draft - don't back down...

I'm not backing down. Taking Ingram in the draft was the smart thing to do. It just didn't end up being the right thing to do.

The dealer was showing 6, we doubled down on a 10. We drew an 8 and the dealer flipped a king and drew a 4.


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Originally Posted by papz (Post 347141)
From a fantasy perspective, he's been disappointing only for those who overrated and over drafted him. I saw people take him as early as the end of the 3rd round and his ranking was right around the 5th round... which was absurd. As you pointed out, in the type of offense we run and the constant rotation of personnel, he was a big gamble and risk to produce anywhere close to tier 2 RB production. If one was thinking with his head on straight, that's not where you gamble that early in a fantasy draft.

That is exactly what I'm saying Papz. Really, the only reason to draft Ingram in a fantasy league would be as a late round flier in a keeper league.


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Originally Posted by Euphoria (Post 347242)
I just think its really stupid to judge a rookie.

You have to give them time to learn and adjust to the faster game. RB is maybe the one of the easiest to adapt to but sometimes its harder to see the field early on because so much is being thrown at you that you have tunnel vision when you are running the play.

Give him 2-3 years before we start talking about this.

No.

papz 11-10-2011 07:32 PM

I agree it was the smart thing to do. We had him very high on our draft board and to get him where we did... we did a great job. In landing two top 15 type talents is a A+ in my book... especially being that our first round pick next season will be at the tailend of the round. I only thing I disagree with you here is saying it ended up not being the right thing to do... only time can tell on that one.

Now whether we needed to draft a back or not is a whole different story.

Memnoch_TP 11-10-2011 09:24 PM

Alright then, I will say it wasn't the right thing to do in the short term. We'll see on the long term.

xan 11-10-2011 10:40 PM

Given how fragile running backs are in general and even more so on the Saints, adding a top quality back was smart both short and long run. Ivory's return was not guaranteed, PT hasn't made it through a full season ever, and sproles will wear out if we subject his light frame to bruiser back duty.

So far no elite back has been healthy every game this season. One must have realistic criteria or one might be viewed in the same vein as Rick Perry.

Pete 11-10-2011 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by strato (Post 347031)
Well looka here...lol..where u been?

Everywhere but here bro lol Workin man workin!WHO-DAT?Pete went to sleep :smile: Kickin azz and taking names is what we bout to do!

Danno 11-11-2011 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by xan (Post 347396)
One must have realistic criteria or one might be viewed in the same vein as Rick Perry.

And one must have a realistic view of reality or one might be viewed in the same vein as Barack Obama. ;)

strato 11-11-2011 08:08 AM

Looking at it again...i like Ingram and see a good future for him...with that said..did we do the right thing?..look around the league and the RBs who were drafted low or not drafted at all...and are doing good...

RB in the first is almost non existent nowadays ...kinda wish we would have went with a OLB...but it is what is ..

I hope Mark can have a great career with us..and prove his worth..

He is a Saint now and i will back em no matter what!

UK_WhoDat 11-12-2011 01:38 PM

What’s that? Ah, disappointed?
Don’t talk about – disappointed?
You kidding me? disappointed?

Danno 11-12-2011 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by strato (Post 347439)
Looking at it again...i like Ingram and see a good future for him...with that said..did we do the right thing?..look around the league and the RBs who were drafted low or not drafted at all...and are doing good...

RB in the first is almost non existent nowadays ...kinda wish we would have went with a OLB...but it is what is ..

I hope Mark can have a great career with us..and prove his worth..

He is a Saint now and i will back em no matter what!

Had we stayed put which OLB would you have taken in the 2nd round?

Miller Ayers Carter and Reed were all gone. The next two OLB's selected were Moch and Mouton and neither has even played a down yet.

Maybe Foster? He went in the 3rd round.

jeanpierre 11-13-2011 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 347862)
Had we stayed put which OLB would you have taken in the 2nd round?

Miller Ayers Carter and Reed were all gone. The next two OLB's selected were Moch and Mouton and neither has even played a down yet.

Maybe Foster? He went in the 3rd round.

When I mocked the draft as we got closer, I had Foster as the Saints 2nd or early 3rd pick - I liked his attitude, motor, and love for the game. You can't measure it, but you damn well better be paying attention in interviews...

Also, I like KJ Wright out of Mississippi State - they always produce really good pros on the Defensive Side - he's playing and contributing for Seattle already...

UK_WhoDat 11-13-2011 10:45 AM

I ain't disappointed ...... yet.

Overall Ingram offers the Saints a very balance RB team. There is no guarantee any player definitely delivers.


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