Bailey
 

Ok, this has been discussed some, but it is time to open up a thread for it.

What do you think the Saints should be willing to trade for Champ? Keep in mind it is pretty open, from players to draft picks. You play the GM.

I'm not sure what I think yet, so I am excited to hear some thoughts on this.

Bailey
 

Honestly, I\'d rather pick up two corners in free agency. Charles Woodson is a really good player and put a Fernando Bryant, Antoine Winfield, Ahmed Plummer, or Shawn Springs with him and we would have a good secondary. Maybe, then trade up to get a playmaker like Sean Taylor. just my opinion

Bailey
 

I hate to be the REALIST AGAIN, but if Charles Woodson is being considered, I wouldn\'t consider much more than that in Free Agency. A guy with that kind of talent and name would cost us so much that you\'d end up with another Ruff and Ambrose type supporting cast.

Give me Al Wilson, a Bryant/Winfield/maybe Springs type player, a first round DT, and a second round CB and I\'m happy. Anything beyond that is gravy.

Bailey
 

Oh my GOD I agree with Whodat! :o

Quick, somebody do something...anything. :P

Bailey
 

That wasn\'t whodat. I know because I also agree 100%.
Big time free-agents are always way overpaid. It puts the other starters\' quality at risk.

Gimme a Bryant or a Winfield and draft one, and re-sign Carter cheap as insurance.

I\'d love Woodson but not at the cost of low-tier players everywhere else.

Bailey
 

I agree with Whodat to a certain degree. First round the saints should go after LB. Al Wilson will be a great addition but a olb like Williams and Kansby could help plug the holes better than a DT coming out of this draft. The saints should go after a DT through free agency.

Bailey
 

When was the last time you guys seen Charles Woodson play? He has been getting burned regularly for the past two seasons. He may be the most over-rated corner in the league. And seeing Fernando Bryant\'s name in the same line as Winfield is just bother-some. Winfield is a top corner, Bryant is nothing more than an average #2.

Seems to me that most of you are basing your opinions off names and not actual talent.

Al Wilson is getting franchised, anyway. That was reported today. I think we should be going after someone like Jon Vilma in round one, not Dansby (who, IMO, is going to be a bust) or any of these half-ass corners (strait, gamble, hall...I dont think any will turn out as a true #1 corner).

Bailey
 

Slow down, turbo. Winfield lacks the size to be a top corner. Sorry, but size does matter. He\'s the same height as Fred Thomas, only not as heavy. And we all know that the only thing that is keeping Fred from being a top corner in this league is his size, cause his heart is made of gold. Winfield, like Thomas, will never be anything more than a good #2.
But everything else you said has been right on. Most people are calling for Williams in the first, and while I wouldn\'t be opposed to that, I would prefer Vilma in the first, and wait on the OLB in the 2nd. Vilma is the real deal at MLB, and there are more opportunities at OLB than MLB, both in free agency and the draft.

Bailey
 

Height usually matters at corner but I think Winfield has showed time and time again that he can over-come in. He\'s not a #2 corner now, and he won\'t be on his new team. He may not beable to shut down every WR, but he will at least cut their production in half. Not to mention, he may be the best corner against the run in the entire NFL (and, regardless of what people think, we need help against the run more than anything else). The guy also rarely ever misses a tackle...something else we could really use. He may not be the best cover corner in the world (altho he is damn good), but as an over-all player, he is great.

He\'s not going to be tagged, which means we won\'t have to give up any draft picks to get him...which means we can get more help (Jon Vilma!). Right now, I would rather have him than any of the other corners that will become FA\'s (with Champ & McAlister both being franchised, I think he is the next best corner out there anyway)

Bailey
 

Ok, plain and simple, the saint don\'t need another corner under 5\'10. If you haven\'t notice this division have too many WR over 6\'2. Winfield is a good CB that can cover WR but saints need a CB that can produce turnover.

Bailey
 

Yeah, the best division rival WR is Steve Smith and he sure is a monster of a WR...

I totally agree that we need a ball hawk, but that\'s what a #2 CB should be. Your top guy should cover the other teams best WR and the other guys should be looking for the turnovers. We could go get Bobby Taylor, or Ahmed Plummer, or one of these other bigger guys to play #2. But for that #1 spot...I just think Winfield has too much to offer to pass him up. It doesn\'t matter how big you are, it\'s how big you play.

Bailey
 

I believe we need corners for other teams besides carolina. Carolina main source for moving the ball is Davis not Smith. True enough Smith might be the dangerous WR in our division but I believe Fred Thomas can cover him. Now what bout Mushin Muhammad( 6\'2 ), Brian Finneran (6\'5), Joe Jurevicius (6\'5). Then after that our schedule is loaded with tall WR.

Bailey
 

I was being sarcastic with Steve Smith being a \'monster\', I\'m sorry you missed it...

As far as Mushin Muhammad, Brian Finneran & Joe Jurevicius...none of them are that good. They are all #2 WR\'s for their respective teams and may not even be the #2 by the time the season starts. A guy like Winfield would totally shut any of them down. Hell, Fernado Bryant, as crappy as he is, could probably shut those guys down. Height doesn\'t mean jack if you don\'t know how to use it.

I\'m more worried about Steve Smith than any of them, and he\'s only 5\'9\".

[Edited on 21/2/2004 by rAge]

Bailey
 

Don\'t act so surprised boys. This is what I have been saying about Brooks all along! ;)