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saintsfan1976 11-28-2011 09:35 PM

Why I'm falling out of love with the NFL (slightly)
 
Several calls tonight - the roughing call on Eli, the "late" "hit" out of bounds on Porter and hitting defenseless receiver on our safety were each about as poor as I've ever seen. Ever.

It seems as thought the refs aren't allowed to trust their eyes anymore - if it's close, CALL IT.

In an already violent game, I'm all for safety but it's becoming ridiculous.

And as I watch Brandon Jacobs taunt our entire defense in the endzone (without a flag...)

:rolleyes:

Load of bull...

saintsfan1976 11-28-2011 09:40 PM

And someone please scrape Roman Harper off the 3 yard line.

Ouch :nutkick:

frydaddy 11-28-2011 09:54 PM

I agree. Can't stand how they continue to sissify (yeah, sissify) the game in the name of "safety". They should have the qb's in pink tutu's for as much as they baby them

saintsfan1976 11-28-2011 10:02 PM

It's not even that. Look, if the hadn't evolved the NFL would be a league of players like Suh who's man objective seems to be shortening the career of every player he come in contact with.

I get it.

BUT - why the seemingly automatic reaction to heavy hits with a quick flag so often?

If a guy goes over the middle, does he get a free catch now?

I mean they don't mind spend 10 minutes reviewing replays :rolleyes:

CharityMike 11-28-2011 11:43 PM

This entire year of officiating has been total crap period. The option to not be able to overturn a major penalty is stupid. It needs to be implemented.

As much as I can't stand Steve Young, he said it best, "the rules today do not allow teams to play defense"

arsaint 11-28-2011 11:57 PM

Amazing you can powerslam a RB long after his forward progress is done, but you can't hit a WR with your shoulder pads while he's trying to bring in a ball.

I'm good with no leading with the helmet or hitting a receiver that is airborne, but c'mon man!

This is getting too wimpy - let the D play!

AlaskaSaints 11-29-2011 12:25 AM

How do you hit with a hard shoulder but NOT a helmet. Where your shoulder hits HARD, your head will follow.

The two safety CRACKS, B.S.

But Porter should never have kept tackling that receiver once he was TOTALLY out of bounds. Stupid on us.

Alaska

jnormand 11-29-2011 03:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 352389)
Several calls tonight - the roughing call on Eli, the "late" "hit" out of bounds on Porter and hitting defenseless receiver on our safety were each about as poor as I've ever seen. Ever.

It seems as thought the refs aren't allowed to trust their eyes anymore - if it's close, CALL IT.

In an already violent game, I'm all for safety but it's becoming ridiculous.

And as I watch Brandon Jacobs taunt our entire defense in the endzone (without a flag...)

:rolleyes:

Load of bull...

Agreed! But IMHO after seeing the hit on Jimmy I really didn't see that it was illegal either. Brutal yes but unless I missed something it looked clean to me. The only reason I wanted a flag was because we got a BS call against us for half the hit that was earlier. Don't get me wrong, the hit was horrible to watch and I was really worried Jimbo wasn't going to get up or was really hurt, but I actually thought the hit was clean. In just getting tired if the rules now. It's getting out of hand.

jnormand 11-29-2011 03:54 AM

Excuse the typos please...^, I'm replying from a "smart phone".

95shakinpf 11-29-2011 05:55 AM

YES YES YES!! I was waiting for coach to tell the refs "just put flags on thier hips and we'll just play flag F'N football"
I agree that NEITHER of those monster hits were illegal, Brutal hits yes but not illegal!

dizzle88 11-29-2011 06:22 AM

Even the commentators were saying that all the hardest hitting safeties of the past like John lynch etc would struggle in today's NFL, they have ruined the game.
Quddus absolutely smacked nicks and it was with the shoulder pad, are we supposed to let him catch it and gain more yards before we hit him? Come on goodell, man up you pansy!

ScottF 11-29-2011 06:47 AM

the Jacobs non-call and Smith leading with the head were ridiculous

the Porter PF was just stupid. He and Robinson whiffed, and then looked like rodeo clowns 5 yards out of bounds

homerj07 11-29-2011 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by jnormand (Post 352473)
Agreed! But IMHO after seeing the hit on Jimmy I really didn't see that it was illegal either. Brutal yes but unless I missed something it looked clean to me. The only reason I wanted a flag was because we got a BS call against us for half the hit that was earlier. Don't get me wrong, the hit was horrible to watch and I was really worried Jimbo wasn't going to get up or was really hurt, but I actually thought the hit was clean. In just getting tired if the rules now. It's getting out of hand.


I agree - To me, it looked like he hit with his shoulder first. IN FACT - I don't thik there were any bad hits in the game. Hard - Brutal - OUCH hits BUT except for Porter out of bounds NONE of those should have been called. :doh:

Cruize 11-29-2011 07:04 AM

If you don't lead with you head, launch, or go helmet to helmet, it should not be a flag. The Abdul-Quddus call, which I've seen alot in the NFL this year, was horrible. The Smith and Porter calls were horrible. The Harper call wasn't horrilbe because it was late. But I don't think he even knocked the guy down. The Graham call was correct because it was helmet to helmet. What angered me most was after the Smith call, the next time the Saints had the ball, Brees gets hit helmet to helmet and nothing was called.

SaintsBro 11-29-2011 11:54 AM

What bothered me was the way that at the very end of the game the Giants players were gang tackling and twisting/body slamming Saint runners to the turf, hard, after progress was stopped and WELL AFTER THE WHISTLE BLEW, and nothing was called, or even said to them by the refs. I mean the game is over, it was garbage time, you lost, that's just kind of uncalled for. You could hear the whistles all over the place and the Giants just ignored it. I dunno. Maybe I'm a wimp, but I didn't like seeing it. It was ugly.


I think the spearing/leading with the helmet thing needs to be re-examined by the league. Because if they are calling it so much, so it happens routinely as a penalty all the time, maybe it should be made into something different -- instead of tacking the 15 yards on, it could just be an extra 5 yards or a new set of downs or something more minor. Make the consequences something more complex, a choice, so that the CHOOSING WHAT TO DO affects the offense, in a coaching sense. Do you take it or do you decline it, type of thing.

I think launching fully, and flying through the air and goring a defenseless guy with the helmet, with malicious intent, that's bad. But just a helmet touching a guy when you make contact, I mean it's a part of the tackle, your head is attached to your body, you can't NOT DO IT.

xan 11-29-2011 02:01 PM

If the defender aims low, the penalty won't be called. because defenders "head hunt" hitting above the midsection and head, it is deemed to be unnecessary violence. hitting the hips or legs, not really a problem. the ground will do what a helmet isn't allowed....

saintfan 11-29-2011 02:50 PM

Steve Young said after the game last night that they might as well do away with the safety position because you can't play it in the NFL anymore.

Sad, but true.

neugey 11-29-2011 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CharityMike (Post 352431)
This entire year of officiating has been total crap period. The option to not be able to overturn a major penalty is stupid. It needs to be implemented.

As much as I can't stand Steve Young, he said it best, "the rules today do not allow teams to play defense"

I agree. Perhaps they need to give coaches a free challenge or two, that don't affect their time outs, specifically for reviewing 15-yard personal fouls that were complete mistakes at high speed by the refs (I'm thinking the Will Smith call in particular).


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