Saints defense must improve
 

Conversely,

With Saints looming, Green Bay's defense must improve.

Packers beat us with that defense.

Just sayin'!

Packers beat us on Colston's fumble... Just sayin';)

At 42-34, neither defense beat anybody.

Well D'uh - comes to my mind.

I respectfully disagree; Packers defense stuffed Ingram on final play.

but then again the Saints would not have been trailing by 8 at that point if it weren't for the earlier TD gotten from Colston's fumble...Ingram wouldn't have been running the ball there at all, trailing by 1, Saints would have kicked a field goal to take the lead.

Our front 7 seems to be playing better, maybe the back 4 can get their heads out of their butts. If Robinson plays this week like he has all year I want his useless butt gone, cut, replaced, demoted, whatever. Porter has been up and down so I give him the benefit of doubt, Greer has been o.k., Harper has been ask to do to much period, and Jenkins the leader of the secondary needs to learn how to lead. I'm sorry but this is how I see it they are not getting better but worse.

Which proves the title of this post!!

The Saints defense didn't stop Packers from scoring TD after the fumble; the Packers defense did its job when it mattered.

The Saints will be playing the defending Super Bowl champions in their house, on a bitterly cold day.

Saints defense plays like it did against Titans, (and a few other teams), the Saints will be 1-2 in NFCC games!!

Don't we still need to beat a few teams before we can talk Packers?

Since there is no way for the Saints to get the #1 seed, the Saints are motivated to win out in case 49ers drop one or two so they can get the #2 seed and have at least one home playoff game.

There will be no repeat of the lambs game for the rest of the year for the Saints!!

I could see Payton having all 4 RBs active for the playoffs, which would give the Packers fits!!

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At this point in the season, I just have to say that we have made a ton of mistakes in our defensive personel drafting and signing.

For a team with 4, first round draft picks on DL not getting to the QB and getting sacks or even pressure is just unacceptable. We are going to have to change our thinking in what we look for in D-Linemen and completely retool.

At LB, it's clear that Vilma is beginning to fade and refuses to change his tackling technique which has become a liability. Shanle is as average as it gets at LB, and Cassillas is so up and down, you don't know what you're gonna get from play to play. I will admit that lately, I've been somewhat impressed with what I've seen from Dunbar and Humber. I'd love to see our LB corps try Dunbar at MLB, Move Vilma to WLB and Humber to SAM and see how that works out. Seems like it might be pretty formidable.

I think the experiment of moving Tracey Porter to the slot has been a disaster. It has hurt his development tremendously and we definitely miss his INT's from the corner spot. PRob needs to be traded or cut and replaced as does Harper. I'm beginning to think a combination of Jenkins and Qudus would be our best bet at the safety positions and Jimmy Patrick can take the nickle DB spot, but in reality, this defense is in need of a complete overhaul and some definite playmakers added before we waste our window of opportunity for Super Bowl Wins

Hold an NFL team to 15 or less - you got something.

If the Saints Defense can hold to 20 pts - it a win.

Packers beat us without Will Smith and Tracy Porter due to suspension and injury.

Agree!...but if the Packers defense plays like it did against a few teams (NYG, SD, TB...) then their quest to be 2-0 in NFCC games will come to a halt.

Yes they are undefeated and we all know that, but that type of defense will not get it done in the playoffs either. So, I say our chances are still as good (maybe even better) as they were before.

WHO DAT!

Watch any Packer matchup with the Saints be a defensive battle and look more like a baseball score since the game will be played in a 20 foot snow drift.

The irony is that the Saints are better equipped for winter conditions than the Packers are because the Saints can run the ball much better.

I'd say if P-rob doesn't get any better then he needs to be cut, but you don't cut/trade a player like Roman Harper, he is our best tackler, he leads the NFL in sacks from safety for the past 4 years, yeah his coverage skills arent the best but we chose Cameron Jordan thinking he'd be an awesome all rounder and he hasn't even got within 5 yards of a QB yet, nevermind a sack.

Dunbar impressed me, he played really well. I don't like to say it but, the past couple seasons whenever you see Vilma on tape he would really stand out, not so much this season, i don't know if the injuries have slowed him

I would say we know this. But how and when ?

One thing I have noticed about the Saints' D is that they seem to be able to stop the 3rd and short plays to get the ball back for our O. However, for some inexplicable reason, teams seem to convert 3rd and very long yardage against them. I know that seems backwards, but that is how it is.

It could be that Williams is blitzing too much on the 3rd and longs, and our coverage (generally one on one due to the blitz) is playing too far off the LOS. I don't know what is the case when we are only rushing 3 or 4, and dropping everyone back into the passing lanes.

If this D could ever fix that (since they are now stopping the run well, especially runs up the middle) then we would really have something.

We have a better offense and a better defense than green bay

Green bays defense needs to step up

Green Bay D gets the turnovers whereas ours doesn't. Giving the ball back to Rodgers is lethal, as would be our D giving it back to Brees; but that just hasn't happened nearly enough this season.

We've gone 4 games without committing a turnover on offense...green bay won't get anymore gifts from us if we run into them again

But we will be playing in Green Bay, God willing, so home field levels the odds. Last team with the ball will win this one.

This thread should be merged with the "Bend-don't-Break" one. Oh wait, they're opposites viewpoints on the same topic. Never mind

I agree on the turn overs.... Green Bay's defense is number one in take-aways.... That's the biggest difference between these two defenses... Say what you want about Sharper being over the hill, but he did get the int's that our dbs seem to be dropping on a regular basis.... And we have had our chances! That's what bothers me the most....