greg williams is a dumb @ss!!

westbankdaze · 01-15-2012, 11:23 AM

Originally Posted by mike27

Sorry, you can't just ignore the huge downside of the turnovers. The statistic glares at you, and outside of creating injuries, apparently something SF does to every team, on purpose, it is why we lost the game.

We needed to not have those turnovers, but we did. So the offense didn't come up with what we "needed" either.

Yes turnovers were bad BUT give San Fran defense the credit they deserve for making them happen. They all came from defense causation. How can anyone bad mouth our offense? Brees did everything in his power to overcome those early turnovers and actually accomplished it! GW is totally at fault for this with some poor ego driven play calls on the last drive.

OldMaid · 01-15-2012, 12:07 PM

I did not watch the game. After a while, I just could not. Too nervous.
I did not post during the week about the game either.
I listened to some of the media talk about 49'ers defense and then turned that off.
I am not posting about GW or Saints defense.

Football, great defense with pitiful offense =not too much going on.
Great offense with pitiful , inconsistent defense = not so good. Secure.
You need both.
You need a good kicking team.

There was a time when the Saints had a great defense during Rickey Jackson years, but you had a pitiful offense with Boobie Herbert.
So when the defense got the ball back to the then offense, not much happend. You had the best or one of the best Sp.Teams then with Morten and Hansen. I always hear posts here about how bad Aaron Brooks was, but none about Bear-Bobby Herbert. I used to call him Boobie.
He was from Cut -Off ,LA and people liked that. Then you had with Hebert, another local, John Fourcade. The defense , often out there to the point of exhaustion, would carry the Saints. A defense can only go so far.
Saints never had an offense until this current team under Coach SP and DB as qb, plus the rest of the offense line.

Thanks Mitch. I know what you told me when we had this offense vs. defense discussion. Mitch told me, the defense gets the ball back. Yeah, I say, but if you do not have much of offense or one getting tired out there, that is not so good.

SanFran has a great defense, but the offense has lots to offer too.
Saints made too many turnovers early on and it came back on them.

The Saints' offense is really THAT good. To come back from 0, down by 17 and end the game where they did was still good. OK, I am trying to make us all feel better here about this crucial lost which the Saints could have won. It is not working but I am trying.

All I want to say is that with the Saints great offense and Sp.teams, yes, the hot/cold/lukewarm defense has to catch up while the Saints still have a great offense and good Sp.Teams.

If the Saints had both sides equal, that would be something unbeatable.

Unlike other fans, we here, have been saying 49's showed up on all teams. They started out early. That is something I have always said about the Saints. They need to start out early and fast and score.
The Saints caught up. Almost had it. A W is a W is a win and that is something I have said. One pt. win, ugly win, is still a win. 49'ers had an ugly, close win there, but won. Saints should have won. They need something else, some improvement, obviously there.

Loves those Saints, still.

01-15-2012, 11:23 AM	#1
westbankdaze 500th Post Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 843	Originally Posted by mike27 Sorry, you can't just ignore the huge downside of the turnovers. The statistic glares at you, and outside of creating injuries, apparently something SF does to every team, on purpose, it is why we lost the game. We needed to not have those turnovers, but we did. So the offense didn't come up with what we "needed" either. Yes turnovers were bad BUT give San Fran defense the credit they deserve for making them happen. They all came from defense causation. How can anyone bad mouth our offense? Brees did everything in his power to overcome those early turnovers and actually accomplished it! GW is totally at fault for this with some poor ego driven play calls on the last drive.
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OldMaid Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 2,919 Blog Entries: 3	I did not watch the game. After a while, I just could not. Too nervous. I did not post during the week about the game either. I listened to some of the media talk about 49'ers defense and then turned that off. I am not posting about GW or Saints defense. Football, great defense with pitiful offense =not too much going on. Great offense with pitiful , inconsistent defense = not so good. Secure. You need both. You need a good kicking team. There was a time when the Saints had a great defense during Rickey Jackson years, but you had a pitiful offense with Boobie Herbert. So when the defense got the ball back to the then offense, not much happend. You had the best or one of the best Sp.Teams then with Morten and Hansen. I always hear posts here about how bad Aaron Brooks was, but none about Bear-Bobby Herbert. I used to call him Boobie. He was from Cut -Off ,LA and people liked that. Then you had with Hebert, another local, John Fourcade. The defense , often out there to the point of exhaustion, would carry the Saints. A defense can only go so far. Saints never had an offense until this current team under Coach SP and DB as qb, plus the rest of the offense line. Thanks Mitch. I know what you told me when we had this offense vs. defense discussion. Mitch told me, the defense gets the ball back. Yeah, I say, but if you do not have much of offense or one getting tired out there, that is not so good. SanFran has a great defense, but the offense has lots to offer too. Saints made too many turnovers early on and it came back on them. The Saints' offense is really THAT good. To come back from 0, down by 17 and end the game where they did was still good. OK, I am trying to make us all feel better here about this crucial lost which the Saints could have won. It is not working but I am trying. All I want to say is that with the Saints great offense and Sp.teams, yes, the hot/cold/lukewarm defense has to catch up while the Saints still have a great offense and good Sp.Teams. If the Saints had both sides equal, that would be something unbeatable. Unlike other fans, we here, have been saying 49's showed up on all teams. They started out early. That is something I have always said about the Saints. They need to start out early and fast and score. The Saints caught up. Almost had it. A W is a W is a win and that is something I have said. One pt. win, ugly win, is still a win. 49'ers had an ugly, close win there, but won. Saints should have won. They need something else, some improvement, obviously there. Loves those Saints, still.