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Should the Saints go after Northcutt and give them a second round pick ????

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Ravens retain interest in Northcutt

But sources say team unwilling to deal high pick for Browns wide receiver
By Brent Jones
Sun Staff
Originally published March 24, 2004
While the Ravens remain high on Cleveland Browns receiver Dennis Northcutt, a trade offer is not necessarily imminent, team sources said yesterday.
Northcutt was one of the players the Ravens were going to target heading into free agency. But Northcutt's agent missed a deadline to file papers with the league that would have voided the remaining years of Northcutt's contract.

With Northcutt still the property of the Browns, Cleveland has given him permission to seek trade opportunities. Team sources said the Ravens are looking at Northcutt, but are not willing to part with a high draft choice to obtain him. The Ravens also might be open to a player-for-player deal.

The Browns, though, are unlikely to trade Northcutt within the division and have not ruled out the possibility of having him return. Northcutt led the Browns with 62 receptions for 729 yards last season, his first as a full-time starter, with two touchdowns.

The Ravens also would want Northcutt, 26, to return punts.

Ravens coach Brian Billick did not want to speak directly of Northcutt, who averaged 8.2 yards on 36 punt returns, but did say: "We're not done in terms of players because there are players getting pushed out in the market daily, for a number of reasons. You can anticipate some of it and some of it you can't. But I would think, with the exception of the receiver position, I don't know if we're going to be active in much else until after the draft."

Northcutt was originally a second-round pick in the 2000 draft out of Arizona.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/f...ports-football

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I\'d give up a second for Northcutt. 4-WR set with Horn/Stallworth/Crowell/Northcutt and Deuce in the back field... I don\'t know if anyone has enought CB\'s to cover us and if so... quick pitch to deuce and let him run over them.

[Edited on 25/3/2004 by Euphoria]

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2nd rounder? Hell no, if we had a great need at WR like the Ravens do, then maybe, but I would rather keep that pick.

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Northcutt is pretty darn good. It is also highly probable that one of our WRs will get injured - one of them is Stallworth, Crowell is coming off injury, and Horn is getting old. Northcutt could also return punts - we will all remember exactly how impressive Lewis was last season...

I agree with BnB that a 2nd rounder is too high, but what about a 3rd rounder? How about a 4th and one of our \"prospects\" at the position like Gardner or D.Lewis, or heck what about the Beer Man (if he has any value left)?

I\'m generally in favor of knowing what you are going to get; thus, I\'m a bit skeptical about banking on the draft (which as near as I can figure is a craps shoot). I\'m sure someone can tell us how many valuable players our boys have got in the 3rd round. I\'m willing to bet the list isn\'t actually all that impressive.

I\'m never sure why we aren\'t a bit more brazen during the FA period. That is the best way to know what you are getting (even if it costs a little bit more). As with last year, I am disappointed with the Saints offseason - draft picks are fine, but I don\'t see why people think they are SO valuable (especially after the 2nd round). If anyone has any thoughts, I\'d love to hear them.

Cheers.

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Simply put - no. I don\'t even think I would give up a 3rd rounder for the guy. He is nothing more than a #3 WR and if we wanted another one of those, we could draft one.

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Saints need two kinds of receivers .

1. 6\'3\" or taller for those jump ball deep route passes Brooks throws .
2. 5\'8\" or smaller for those hook route knee cap passes Brooks throws .

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I am sure glad none of you are the Saints Coach.

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we don\'t have a 4th rounder to trade, that was part of the Tebucky deal

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No way we should give up a draft pick for him.

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Dude- Terrell Owens was had for a 5th rounder and Brandon Whiting. The Ravens thought they were going to land him for a 2nd rounder. You think I\'d give up a 2nd rounder for Northcutt, you\'re the one that shouldn\'t even be allowed to watch pro football, much less coach it.

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euphoria, you seemed to have left out pathon for some reason

pathon is a better reciever than northcutt and crowell, anything higher than a 5th round pick for northcutt is insane

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Northcutt is a beast... he is on the edge of a break-out year. You can quote me on that. Crowell is also a stud waiting to happen. Pathon, I like but with all these wr\'s... he is out the door. Keep in Mind Northcutt isn\'t coming. Pathon in the 5 WR set... whew

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A second is too high, but I still ike Northcutt. I agree that with a small attitude adjustment the guy could be fierce. Given that our receivers are injury prove and weren\'t that impressive last season, this might not be a bad option to investigate.

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Thanks for the thoughts.

BnB makes a good point about TO; what about our 5th round pick and the Beer Man for Northcutt (not that anyone would take such a trade)? How much value does a 5th round pick really have?

I\'m still not convinced that a 3rd round pick has that much value compared to a proven player; here is a claim that may be worth investigating - Northcutt is as good or better than anyone we\'ve drafted in the 3rd round in the last 4 years. If someone can show that that claim is false, then I\'ll shut up about this.

BnB, I hope it wasn\'t me you were cheezed with - I agreed that a second rounder was too much. I couldn\'t really tell.

For the record, not that anyone cares, but I think Pathon\'s career is about over. The way he played last year (with the exception of a handful of picture perfect catches), he isn\'t showing much life left.

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Jericho Cotchery - Wr.

North Carolina St

Easy 4th round steal if he makes it that far , he may come up the board . No burner , he just catches balls . Seems like he could be a Chrebet kind of player ....

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I agree. Could be a damn good steal, but we don\'t have a 4th round pick thanks to Tebucky Jones

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Don\'t know that it ever really began. He could be the 4th or 5th receiver this year. He\'s not worth much to me.


That was my point too. It always has been. Proven talent is worth a lot more than draft picks MOST of the time. I dunno about this though. Cie Grant has the ability to prove that statement wrong. Craver was being highly touted by the coaches - he was a 3rd rounder. I think he\'s done though. Time will tell I guess.

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WhoDat,

It looks like we favor the same off-season strategy! What is wrong with all these people who, in my opinion, seriously overvalue draft picks?

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drafting is a gamble... You can find pro-bowlers in the 7th, granted rare. I think the fact that you can get them young , hungry and cheap for the first few years is the sale here. But even still sometimes its the system the player is in wether he produces like an all-pro or average. So bringing in a vet sometimes isn\'t the answer either.

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northcut=3rd wideout at best. maybe a late rounder trade for him, but definitely not a 2nd.

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Northcutt is a 5 year pro who\'s best year, had 62 receptions, 729 yards, and 2 touchdowns. He\'s 5-11\", weighing in at 175lbs. All his stats are BELOW the NFL average. He\'s behind Quincy Morgan on the depth chart.
The argument went from trading a 2nd rounder for him to a 3rd rounder. While trading a 3rd rounder for him is more inline with what I think he\'s worth, I still wouldn\'t make this move. Maybe I do over-value draft picks, but I\'m not going to trade away a 3rd round draft pick for someone who is going to compete with Pathon, Lewis, Caldwell, Crowell, and Gardner for the 3rd WR spot on this team. I would rather take my chances in the draft.

I wasn\'t. The only thing that cheezed me on this thread was-

As if to say, \"thank God your not the head coach, since you wouldn\'t make this trade.\" If it makes you feel any better, I agree with the current coaching staff\'s moves that they have made on this argument thusfar- which has been nothing at all.





[Edited on 29/3/2004 by BlackandBlue]

Northcutt
 

Dennis Notrhcutt doesnt bring anything to the table that the Saints dont already have. Giving up a pick for somethinf you already have is pointless and forget about it ever happening...The only kind of reciever the Saints need is someone about 6\'3 just to be a reliable target in the red zone and to create mismatches for other teams with smaller corners...pretty much like the ones that we have.

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what we need at WR is for #83 to stay healthy for more than 2 games in a row