Don’t forget about New Orleans Saints defensive end Greg Romeus

CharityMike · 02-07-2012, 10:11 AM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

I took a quick look at the Giants' roster from 2008 to determine some of the average physical attributes different defenders had on Spags' D back then. Certainly this doesn't give us any real guidelines as to what he looks for in a player at a certain spot, since he wasn't drafting or signing these guys. But, still, I think it can at least tell us something about what type of an average player he used that year on certain positions while having great success against offenses as a whole.

The average DT was 6-4 and 309 lbs

The average DE was 6.4 and 269 lbs

The average LB was 6.2 and 240 lbs

As for the Saints roster from last year...

For DTs only Rogers (6-4 ,350), Miller (6-4, 310), and Johnson (6-3, 288) are close to that average, and Rogers is quite a lot over-weight to have the quickness Spags looks for. Miller is actually an almost carbon copy of the average DT, so he might be someone to look at more closely during the off-season.

For DEs only Charleston (6-4, 265), Jordan (6-4, 287), and Romeus (6-5, 267) fit that average - an average physical attribute which is probably one of the keys why the Giants' DEs are able to deflect so many passes.

For LBs only Humber (5-11) and Dunbar (6-0) fall short of the '08 Giants' average, but this is probably the one spot where the physical attributes have the least affect as far as the defensive schemes are concerned.

I think Johnson could be moved to DE under Spags with ease, since he rotated between being a DE and DT in the CFL, and possesses the speed to be an outside rusher if he only would shed a couple of pounds of extra weight.

Who is Miller?

Danno · 02-07-2012, 10:13 AM

Originally Posted by CharityMike

Who is Miller?

Probably Swanson Miller who looked great in pre-season.

FinSaint · 02-07-2012, 10:58 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

Probably Swanson Miller who looked great in pre-season.

Although, if my memory serves me right, Miller got few of his sacks in pre-season, because he was so slow of the line that the guard+center were already concentrating on someone else and let Miller have a free run at the QB.

Danno · 02-07-2012, 12:40 PM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

Although, if my memory serves me right, Miller got few of his sacks in pre-season, because he was so slow of the line that the guard+center were already concentrating on someone else and let Miller have a free run at the QB.

You're right. I remember that now. He was gawd-awful slow off the snap.

FinSaint · 02-07-2012, 02:19 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

You're right. I remember that now. He was gawd-awful slow off the snap.

By design?

Danno · 02-07-2012, 03:04 PM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

By design?

Ye ole delay tactic to confuse and disorient the quicker O-linemen.

I must have been thinking of that mama's boy that played so well, or Tom Johnson.

FinSaint · 02-07-2012, 04:12 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Ye ole delay tactic to confuse and disorient the quicker O-linemen.

I must have been thinking of that mama's boy that played so well, or Tom Johnson.

It must've been Mitch King 'cause Johnson was hurt in that SF game's 2nd quarter and didn't play in the pre-season after that.

The problem with King is that he isn't big/heavy enough to create a push (6-2, 280) against the opposing O-linemen and he isn't tall enough to disrupt the passes if he doesn't get to the QB (kinda the problem with Ellis too).

It's really a shame since he does seem to have a great motor and a relentless attitude... GW just didn't find a good way to use him in his schemes, but maybe Spags can find a way to tap into his potential.

02-07-2012, 10:11 AM	#1
CharityMike Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Mid City, New Orleans Posts: 3,556	Originally Posted by FinSaint I took a quick look at the Giants' roster from 2008 to determine some of the average physical attributes different defenders had on Spags' D back then. Certainly this doesn't give us any real guidelines as to what he looks for in a player at a certain spot, since he wasn't drafting or signing these guys. But, still, I think it can at least tell us something about what type of an average player he used that year on certain positions while having great success against offenses as a whole. The average DT was 6-4 and 309 lbs The average DE was 6.4 and 269 lbs The average LB was 6.2 and 240 lbs As for the Saints roster from last year... For DTs only Rogers (6-4 ,350), Miller (6-4, 310), and Johnson (6-3, 288) are close to that average, and Rogers is quite a lot over-weight to have the quickness Spags looks for. Miller is actually an almost carbon copy of the average DT, so he might be someone to look at more closely during the off-season. For DEs only Charleston (6-4, 265), Jordan (6-4, 287), and Romeus (6-5, 267) fit that average - an average physical attribute which is probably one of the keys why the Giants' DEs are able to deflect so many passes. For LBs only Humber (5-11) and Dunbar (6-0) fall short of the '08 Giants' average, but this is probably the one spot where the physical attributes have the least affect as far as the defensive schemes are concerned. I think Johnson could be moved to DE under Spags with ease, since he rotated between being a DE and DT in the CFL, and possesses the speed to be an outside rusher if he only would shed a couple of pounds of extra weight. Who is Miller?

02-07-2012, 10:13 AM	#2
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,748	Originally Posted by CharityMike Who is Miller? Probably Swanson Miller who looked great in pre-season.

02-07-2012, 10:58 AM	#3
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,963	Originally Posted by Danno Probably Swanson Miller who looked great in pre-season. Although, if my memory serves me right, Miller got few of his sacks in pre-season, because he was so slow of the line that the guard+center were already concentrating on someone else and let Miller have a free run at the QB.

02-07-2012, 12:40 PM	#4
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,748	Originally Posted by FinSaint Although, if my memory serves me right, Miller got few of his sacks in pre-season, because he was so slow of the line that the guard+center were already concentrating on someone else and let Miller have a free run at the QB. You're right. I remember that now. He was gawd-awful slow off the snap.

02-07-2012, 02:19 PM	#5
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,963	Originally Posted by Danno You're right. I remember that now. He was gawd-awful slow off the snap. By design?

02-07-2012, 03:04 PM	#6
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,748	Originally Posted by FinSaint By design? Ye ole delay tactic to confuse and disorient the quicker O-linemen. I must have been thinking of that mama's boy that played so well, or Tom Johnson.

02-07-2012, 04:12 PM	#7
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,963	Originally Posted by Danno Ye ole delay tactic to confuse and disorient the quicker O-linemen. I must have been thinking of that mama's boy that played so well, or Tom Johnson. It must've been Mitch King 'cause Johnson was hurt in that SF game's 2nd quarter and didn't play in the pre-season after that. The problem with King is that he isn't big/heavy enough to create a push (6-2, 280) against the opposing O-linemen and he isn't tall enough to disrupt the passes if he doesn't get to the QB (kinda the problem with Ellis too). It's really a shame since he does seem to have a great motor and a relentless attitude... GW just didn't find a good way to use him in his schemes, but maybe Spags can find a way to tap into his potential.
	"I'm not bashing people, I'm bashing their opinions because in my opinion their opinion is wrong" - Danno

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