Conundrum...

blackangold · 02-20-2012, 07:40 PM

If we sign Brees (which we will) we only have 20 mil in cap space before signing him. Lets say he takes a friendly figure against the cap, say 16 mil his first year. This means nicks would have to take a maximum of 4mil against the cap which wont happen.

Brees should avg 18mil per year (first year 16mil maybe?)
Nicks should get 6-7mil per year (same as Evans)
Colston wants 7mil per year

Do the math saints have 100mil against the cap without these players(cap is 120m).

Unless cuts are made to the defense we will lose Nicks and Colston. Cutting some lackluster vet on D means keeping Nicks, however if the FO want all three back look for some major cuts on D.
(yes I know some vets may restructure contracts but it may not be enough)

Personally I love the young talent we have on D, but we cant get rid of the veteran knowledge completely. My prediction- Colston will no longer be a Saint, Shanle and Will Smith get cut.

FinSaint · 02-20-2012, 10:05 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

If we sign Brees (which we will) we only have 20 mil in cap space before signing him. Lets say he takes a friendly figure against the cap, say 16 mil his first year. This means nicks would have to take a maximum of 4mil against the cap which wont happen.

Brees should avg 18mil per year (first year 16mil maybe?)
Nicks should get 6-7mil per year (same as Evans)
Colston wants 7mil per year

Do the math saints have 100mil against the cap without these players(cap is 120m).

Unless cuts are made to the defense we will lose Nicks and Colston. Cutting some lackluster vet on D means keeping Nicks, however if the FO want all three back look for some major cuts on D.
(yes I know some vets may restructure contracts but it may not be enough)

Personally I love the young talent we have on D, but we cant get rid of the veteran knowledge completely. My prediction- Colston will no longer be a Saint, Shanle and Will Smith get cut.

The 2012 cap is a bit more than $120M, because there's the whole "roll over" of last year's unused cap space in the new CBA.

Salary Cap Numbers Updated Heading Into 2012 NFL Free Agency - SBNation.com

Nicks wouldn't accept a $6-7M/year contract like you stated, he wants $8-9M/year (Evans' contract is ~$8M/year).

Colston might want a little more than that, I would say he is looking for something in the $7.5-8.5M/year range, and there probably are teams (with a lot of cap space) around which will give that to him (f.e. the Bengals).

I'm not sure where you got that figure of $100M of already used up cap space, because I've seen a lot lower calculations around, most in the lower $90M range.

Excess fat needs to be cut and contracts need to be restructured, but that is no different from any other off-season - this is the time of the year the team GMs and FOs earn their pay.

blackangold · 02-20-2012, 10:51 PM

PY has an article on the espn south blog regarding cap for the saints, he states 102mil as the current... so it is a harder situation then I thought

spkb25 · 02-22-2012, 07:10 AM

Originally Posted by blackangold

If we sign Brees (which we will) we only have 20 mil in cap space before signing him. Lets say he takes a friendly figure against the cap, say 16 mil his first year. This means nicks would have to take a maximum of 4mil against the cap which wont happen.

Brees should avg 18mil per year (first year 16mil maybe?)
Nicks should get 6-7mil per year (same as Evans)
Colston wants 7mil per year

Do the math saints have 100mil against the cap without these players(cap is 120m).

Unless cuts are made to the defense we will lose Nicks and Colston. Cutting some lackluster vet on D means keeping Nicks, however if the FO want all three back look for some major cuts on D.
(yes I know some vets may restructure contracts but it may not be enough)

Personally I love the young talent we have on D, but we cant get rid of the veteran knowledge completely. My prediction- Colston will no longer be a Saint, Shanle and Will Smith get cut.

SS doesn't mater. The guy is old, and he was slow when he wasn't old. I mean if we can keep him around as a backup for a good price, good, but him leaving I don't think affects us.

Will Smith is restructuring or leaving. No way he earns that salary this year. I think he'll probably restructure.

It's going to be hard to sign Colston and Nicks. I hope we find a way to keep both, but if we can only have one I'll take Nicks.

Just my opinion

02-20-2012, 10:05 PM	#2
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,963	Originally Posted by blackangold If we sign Brees (which we will) we only have 20 mil in cap space before signing him. Lets say he takes a friendly figure against the cap, say 16 mil his first year. This means nicks would have to take a maximum of 4mil against the cap which wont happen. Brees should avg 18mil per year (first year 16mil maybe?) Nicks should get 6-7mil per year (same as Evans) Colston wants 7mil per year Do the math saints have 100mil against the cap without these players(cap is 120m). Unless cuts are made to the defense we will lose Nicks and Colston. Cutting some lackluster vet on D means keeping Nicks, however if the FO want all three back look for some major cuts on D. (yes I know some vets may restructure contracts but it may not be enough) Personally I love the young talent we have on D, but we cant get rid of the veteran knowledge completely. My prediction- Colston will no longer be a Saint, Shanle and Will Smith get cut. The 2012 cap is a bit more than $120M, because there's the whole "roll over" of last year's unused cap space in the new CBA. Salary Cap Numbers Updated Heading Into 2012 NFL Free Agency - SBNation.com Nicks wouldn't accept a $6-7M/year contract like you stated, he wants $8-9M/year (Evans' contract is ~$8M/year). Colston might want a little more than that, I would say he is looking for something in the $7.5-8.5M/year range, and there probably are teams (with a lot of cap space) around which will give that to him (f.e. the Bengals). I'm not sure where you got that figure of $100M of already used up cap space, because I've seen a lot lower calculations around, most in the lower $90M range. Excess fat needs to be cut and contracts need to be restructured, but that is no different from any other off-season - this is the time of the year the team GMs and FOs earn their pay.
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02-22-2012, 07:10 AM	#4
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,123	Originally Posted by blackangold If we sign Brees (which we will) we only have 20 mil in cap space before signing him. Lets say he takes a friendly figure against the cap, say 16 mil his first year. This means nicks would have to take a maximum of 4mil against the cap which wont happen. Brees should avg 18mil per year (first year 16mil maybe?) Nicks should get 6-7mil per year (same as Evans) Colston wants 7mil per year Do the math saints have 100mil against the cap without these players(cap is 120m). Unless cuts are made to the defense we will lose Nicks and Colston. Cutting some lackluster vet on D means keeping Nicks, however if the FO want all three back look for some major cuts on D. (yes I know some vets may restructure contracts but it may not be enough) Personally I love the young talent we have on D, but we cant get rid of the veteran knowledge completely. My prediction- Colston will no longer be a Saint, Shanle and Will Smith get cut. SS doesn't mater. The guy is old, and he was slow when he wasn't old. I mean if we can keep him around as a backup for a good price, good, but him leaving I don't think affects us. Will Smith is restructuring or leaving. No way he earns that salary this year. I think he'll probably restructure. It's going to be hard to sign Colston and Nicks. I hope we find a way to keep both, but if we can only have one I'll take Nicks. Just my opinion

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02-20-2012, 07:40 PM	#1
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	If we sign Brees (which we will) we only have 20 mil in cap space before signing him. Lets say he takes a friendly figure against the cap, say 16 mil his first year. This means nicks would have to take a maximum of 4mil against the cap which wont happen. Brees should avg 18mil per year (first year 16mil maybe?) Nicks should get 6-7mil per year (same as Evans) Colston wants 7mil per year Do the math saints have 100mil against the cap without these players(cap is 120m). Unless cuts are made to the defense we will lose Nicks and Colston. Cutting some lackluster vet on D means keeping Nicks, however if the FO want all three back look for some major cuts on D. (yes I know some vets may restructure contracts but it may not be enough) Personally I love the young talent we have on D, but we cant get rid of the veteran knowledge completely. My prediction- Colston will no longer be a Saint, Shanle and Will Smith get cut.

02-20-2012, 10:51 PM	#3
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	PY has an article on the espn south blog regarding cap for the saints, he states 102mil as the current... so it is a harder situation then I thought