did Brees know about the bounties?
 

Just wondering. I can't see that flying with him.

Yes, being the team leader he'd have to.

Apparently everyone knew.

The question is who contributed and how much. That would be a story if one guy contributed a whole lot more than most...and wasn't even eligible to collect. I'm not saying that is the case.

Way too many people think Brees is a perfect angel.

Well, at least GW apparently did contribute money into the pool, and naturally he couldn't collect any rewards from it.

As I have understood it, that is why the whole thing violates the salary laws of the NFL - i.e. money being put into the pool by a party outside of the players and on the payroll of the Saints.

I sure many players knew about it. This is football, and I'm sure this isn't the only "illegal" thing that has happened... I believe a lot of things happen at every franchise.

Why is noone talking about Gregg Williams punishment in all this. Imo he should have to take the brunt of the backlash. Hopefully one reason we didnt try to retain him was because of this

Surely being one of the team leaders, Brees had to know about it. But unfortunately people like him didn't go out of their way and stopped it. As they should had.

Perhaps none of them saw anything wrong with it as it happens everywhere. The part that is getting blown out of proportion is this "paying to injure" crap. Players get knocked out of games every day. It is part of the game. One of the payouts was if it happened on a player in the contest's hit.

It was against the rules and they "shouldn't" have done it ... but, things go on in every play in the game that is against the rules and "shouldn't" be done.

This is the liberal media blowing this all out of proportion.

:whatever:

Nawww, the liberal media would NEVER blow anything out of proportion would they?:rolleyes:

I withhold further comment having once been a member of said media.

;)

I've changed my mind. Knowing that what they were doing was ILLEGAL, I'm sure the defensive staff and players weren't just going around and BRAGGING about it whenever possible.

So, honestly, it's possible nobody knew except for GW and the defensive players involved.

This is true. Defensive players meet on their own.

It's also possible only the defensive players who were actually involved in the scheme actually knew about it.

As for Loomis, I'm so sure he was going to waste all his time on an internal investigation. Probably spoke to GW and he denied it.

The more I think of it, I'm putting the blame on Gregg Williams as he was pretty much given total control of the defense.

AND ... if the Bounty was going on in 2011, then how effective is it?
There must have been a LOT of money left in that pool of money after 2011... the defense really didn't knock too many players out all season long.

I'd also like to place the blame on GW and the defensive unit alone, while keeping the rest of the franchise on the clear, but I just can't believe that nobody else knew about it within the franchise.

As it has been reported numerous times during recent days, this type of a thing happens in almost every team and it has been a time honored tradition in the NFL probably as long as the league has existed.

So, wouldn't it be only logical that SP, ML, Mr. Benson all at least suspected that something like this could be happening within the organization?

While this doesn't mean that they were directly responsible for the activity, they also didn't do anything to make sure that something like it couldn't/didn't exist within the franchise.

That is where we come to the negligence part of the accusations, which is something the league and Goodell are going to investigate closely when figuring out who and into what degree they are going to formally indict somebody.

As the US law system is heavily based on precedents, it leads me to believe that they are going to indict both individuals and the franchise - as it was with the Spygate - which is why I believe that there is no way the Saints are able to just direct all of the responsibility on GW.

Also, the fact that GW came out publicly and apologized for his "participation" in this activity might make the league be more lenient towards him and go after the franchise instead - it'll make a bigger statement.

Shawn really made nice with the media on Greg's behalf, I'm more sure now than ever that his services wouldn't have been retained as DC in the N.O.

He will probably be released or fired Goddell is gonna come down as hard as the media claims he is.

Three years, yes there were some painful hits to consider rendered by us.

Sharper anialates Kevin Faulk 09.
Warner vs McCray 09 ( deemed legal at the time ) by the way probably un called for given the final score.
Farve all day ( This is probably the one with the most scrutiny )

But three years I don't remember seeing any stretchers, or is it just me.
( Tracy Porter, and Courtney Roby ) any body else.

I wonder if it was considered a "stretcher hit" if the hit caused the Saint player to injure himself in the process?

Maybe that is why they had to write down the rules - in order to avoid these gray areas?

And those hits still happen even without the presence of a penny-ante bounty.

I have a hard time accepting/believing that Brees would know that other QBs were targeted to be intentionally injuried and not object to it.

I agree, and if my teammates were targetting my counterpart, I'd be pissed, knowing that this wasn't much of a secret and that the other D would look to retaliate.

Also, look at the number of defensive players we have turned over in 3 years. How STUPID was Williams for continuing when we probably had 6-7 guys each year going and playing somewhere else.

Yes he knew it, but didn't care...have you seen the way our defense played?

He wasn't worried about it at all, cause they couldn't sack anyone

I don't think you keep this type of thing quiet.

I have a feeling he knew what was going on..

And as much as Falcon fans hates us they feel just about every team has some type of award system in place secretly installed, it's just sad we had a bunch of snitches on our team.

What difference does it make? A good (legal) hit that results in a player being knocked out of the game is fine. It is a violent sport. If the hit is a "bounty" illegal hit then that should be punished. Just don't think this is the case or can be proved.

THANK YOU!!!!!! No one here knows the guy. i would like to know the total # of people on here who hung out with drew brees for more than 1 minute. just cause he smiles on camera and puts medicine on his kids chest on tv doesnt mean anything to me.

Like he would have been in the locker room going "stop this guys...we dont want to hurt anyone on the other team, lets make sure we help them up after we hit them..." like a big gay

Hey Harper, next time don't drill that QB on the sack, just tackle him and set him down gently on the turf, pretty please.

And a few here are demonizing him.

Well, typically a QB is the leader of the offense and will express an opinion about the offense, but will generally keep an opinion to himself in regards to the defense, who will have their own leader, maybe Vilma?

I remember Brady making that point a few years ago, how while he may be viewed as a team leader, he defers in matters of the defense to whomever was the leader of their D, Tedy Bruschi I think it was.

Make sense, doesn't it? You're in a defensive team meeting before a game and the QB comes in tell you how things are going to go ... you're gonna' think, "go back to the offense, superstar" ... are you not?

Maybe that's why Drew kinda' kept out of the whole thing, if he knew about it at all.

Well if I was on a defense that was doing illegal bounties I sure as heck wouldn't tell such a supposedly stand-up, straight-shooting, honest guy like Drew Brees very much about it. If I was doing anything illegal I think I'd kinda go out of my way NOT to tell him. Let's get real about it, this whole thing has Gregg Williams' dirty fingerprints all over it, not the whole team, Sean Payton or Drew Brees.

honestly i want a qb who knows about the bounty system and advocates it. who wants a softy playing nfl football. unless someone is breaking someones ankle with their bare hands or karate chopping someones neck then how to you prove hits are bountyfied? if hits are dirty they are penalized and flagged.

On Brees knowing about the bounties .... do pigs like mud?

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