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dizzle88 03-04-2012 03:37 PM

Why did brees turn down the contract we offered him?
 
Its really something I don't understand....the guy that wanted a team friendly deal and is not known as greedy guy turns down the chance to be the highest paid player in the NFL because it was 6 mil off what he wanted?

Whys he suddenly being picky, sudden feeling of greediness. Its really made me second guess him for some reason. All the years up to this I knew brees was the best player and still IS the team, but I find this disappointing that we hes being picky and won't accept the 18 mil, wish I could afford to be that choosy

I'd have a heart attack if someone offered me 18 mil

What do you guys think?

Danno 03-04-2012 03:38 PM

Because Tom Condon is his agent, who has been banned by the Patriots. They won't speak to any players that have Condon as their agent.

That should tell you all you need to know.

Halo 03-04-2012 03:40 PM

His agent is the same as Payton Manning's agent (Condon).

One of the biggest flaws in Payton's contract was he got hurt a year after he signed his "MONSTER CONTRACT" and the Colts forced him to restructure it.

Brees wants a large chunk of the money "front loaded" to prevent that.

In the end, Condon is representing Brees, and agents are NOT concerned about a "team friendly" contract... PERIOD.

Condon specializes in making players the HIGHEST PAID players in the league at any one time. That's why I never believed all the hype and think it's all fan damage control by Drew Brees.

alleycat_126 03-04-2012 03:42 PM

I think they better keep negotiating, I have a sinking feeling Goodell may strip them of the the franchise tag there using on him in which case they tag never happen and every one we have will be allowed to hit the open market.

blackangold 03-04-2012 03:43 PM

Regardless he is a representative of Bress and if the agent is doing something Drew viewed as unbecoming or rather not representative of his wishes why not can the guy. Brees deserves to be payed well but he also deserves part of the blame regarding this situation.

Danno 03-04-2012 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by alleycat_126 (Post 382686)
I think they better keep negotiating, I have a sinking feeling Goodell may strip them of the the franchise tag there using on him in which case they tag never happen and every one we have will be allowed to hit the open market.

Which may be one of the reasons why we used it on Brees. I'm thinking since we already used it they can't take it away. It would be unfair to the rest of the players we have on our team.

caddieman 03-04-2012 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by alleycat_126 (Post 382686)
I think they better keep negotiating, I have a sinking feeling Goodell may strip them of the the franchise tag there using on him in which case they tag never happen and every one we have will be allowed to hit the open market.


I don't think Goodell will do that................However kiss your #1 draft pick goodbye in 2013! JMO. Along with suspensions and Money in 2012(Vilma comes to mind)

Quote in the Charlotte paper today. Steve Smith "I WOULD NOT EXPECT ANYTHING LESS FORM THOSE GUYS!" Coming from a guy who punched out his own team-mates! LMAO.

FinSaint 03-04-2012 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 382688)
It would be unfair to the rest of the players we have on our team.


Oh, you mean those criminals and bounty hunters? ;-)

jubo1 03-04-2012 03:50 PM

I read somewhere,in all this mountain of reading,so don't know where,but I think the franchise tag rules are part of the CBA and can't be lifted.
Also,I think there's got to be some reason drew would turn down the offer,it does seem out of character.

Danno 03-04-2012 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by caddieman (Post 382690)
I don't think Goodell will do that................However kiss your #1 draft pick goodbye in 2013! JMO. Along with suspensions and Money in 2012(Vilma comes to mind)

No biggie, the 32nd pick ain't all that special anyway.

Budsdrinker 03-04-2012 04:02 PM

Ok, let's look at the tag another way. I'm not sure exactly how the amout applied to salary caps works but I would assume with the tag at say 14.5 million all of that would apply to the cap since it is a one year deal. How much of a 90 or 100 million deal would count against the cap this year? Maybe Drew will accept the tag to allow enough cap space to sign the other guys. What do you guys think?

FinSaint 03-04-2012 04:06 PM

I don't know if it could be any less with Brees' side reportedly wanting a front-loaded contract, which would place a lot of the guaranteed money on the initial years of the contract.

It would depend on the actual base salary and the designated portions of any bonuses included in the contract.

Rugby Saint II 03-04-2012 04:06 PM

I've said this before, he's got another child on the way. That could really make him look at life differently. Priorities.

Danno 03-04-2012 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 382712)
I've said this before, he's got another child on the way. That could really make him look at life differently. Priorities.

Really? 90 Million (plus another 20-30 million) isn't enough for a family of four?

To be the highest paid employee in your professiopn in the entire world isn't adequate?

What exactly are his priorities? Dictatorship? World dominance? Liberal Politician?

Tobias-Reiper 03-04-2012 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 382715)
What exactly are his priorities? Dictatorship? World dominance? Liberal Politician?

He strikes me more GOP... so yeah, dictatorship and world dominance :)

jeanpierre 03-04-2012 06:20 PM

Again, what is the difference between 18 million and 23 million dollars?

Smart@$$ answer of 5 million aside - I'd rather have 18 million and make sure my best receiver and lineman are still on my team along with some help on defense so I can win one, maybe two more championships...

Ashley 03-04-2012 06:40 PM

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QBREES9 03-04-2012 07:38 PM

Maybe greed !

SaintPauly 03-04-2012 07:45 PM

I don't know.... As with the bounty thing, maybe there is more to it, than what we are being told....

QBREES9 03-04-2012 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by SaintPauly (Post 382797)
I don't know.... As with the bounty thing, maybe there is more to it, than what we are being told....

There always is.

vpheughan 03-04-2012 09:11 PM

Que Pink Floyd "MONEY. it's a *****............"

hagan714 03-04-2012 09:28 PM

Might be worse. sack totals rise and Bress maybe carted of the field because he was gunned for. oppps there is the bounty ideology thing again. remember the best way to get to Drew is up the middle not off the ends.

besides we should get a nice comp pick for the players we are about to say goodbye too.

FinSaint 03-04-2012 09:44 PM

That depends on who the Saints can sign to replace them from the FA pool, whether or not Roger Rabbit decides to take away any potential comp picks.

Mardigras9 03-05-2012 08:54 AM

Unbelievable that they could not get a deal done.

SmashMouth 03-05-2012 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Budsdrinker (Post 382707)
Ok, let's look at the tag another way. I'm not sure exactly how the amout applied to salary caps works but I would assume with the tag at say 14.5 million all of that would apply to the cap since it is a one year deal. How much of a 90 or 100 million deal would count against the cap this year? Maybe Drew will accept the tag to allow enough cap space to sign the other guys. What do you guys think?

That's the right answer here, IMHO. This leaves us with cap space to resign Nicks. Colston can go as $7 million for him is a bit much. Brees makes WR's look better than they really are.

darstep 03-05-2012 11:29 AM

Remember when $450,000 was a lot of money?
It's raining cats, dogs, squirrels, & monkeys...what else is waiting in the wings this year?
I believe the tag helps this years cap, but the long deal is going to leave us thin.
Restructuring and cuts will have to be made and next year has no real advantage.
Once success shows up, the players that bring that success will demand their rewards.
No team has enough money to reward everybody. We are no different.
Brees deserves his money; he's earned it. Everybody else look out for yourself.
Things should level out once all the teams get up to the cap/minimum salary range.
Teams like KC will be able to buy a whole new look.
All the rest will have to pick through the scraps to see what their remaining dollars will buy.

Srgt. Hulka 03-05-2012 03:22 PM

I've been telling you guys for weeks and I kept getting called chicken little, Drew is a Family man first, a union man second and a team member third. He is going to do what is best for his family first...period, what's best for the union second, and what's best for the team third. He's already a hall of famer. He has damn near every record that can be set by a quarterback. What's next? A big ass pay-day, that's what. Don't get me wrong, I love Drew Brees, and I hope he stays in New Orleans forever, but he didn't dream of playing in the NFL his whole life so he could play in the NFL. He dreamed of playing in the NFL his whole life so he could get rich, just like every other player in the NFL. It's time to pay up.

FinSaint 03-05-2012 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by darstep (Post 383001)
Remember when $450,000 was a lot of money?
It's raining cats, dogs, squirrels, & monkeys...what else is waiting in the wings this year?
I believe the tag helps this years cap, but the long deal is going to leave us thin.
Restructuring and cuts will have to be made and next year has no real advantage.
Once success shows up, the players that bring that success will demand their rewards.
No team has enough money to reward everybody. We are no different.
Brees deserves his money; he's earned it. Everybody else look out for yourself.
Things should level out once all the teams get up to the cap/minimum salary range.
Teams like KC will be able to buy a whole new look.
All the rest will have to pick through the scraps to see what their remaining dollars will buy.


And that is basically what the salary cap is for - to keep the whole league fairly competitive among all 32 teams.

Since successful teams can't hold on to all of their star players - draft picks, UDFAs and evaluation of potential FA signings becomes more important. A team doesn't need to sign the highest payed FA in a given position, just the FA who provides the most value and fits the team's system. This is where the Patriots and BB have and will continue to be successful, and where Loomis has also shown his abilities.

The fact that the new CBA brought down the draft pick salaries, especially for the 1st round picks, will help teams to concentrate more on building their success through the draft.


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