Saints fab 5 at 18
 

I think the consensus is that these 12 players will definitely be gone by the time we pick.
1. E.Manning -QB
2. B. Rothlisburger -QB
3. R.Gallery -LT
4. L.Fitzgerald -WR
5. Rg.Williams -WR
6. Ry. Williams-WR
7. M. Williams -WR
8. S. Taylor -S
9.. V. Wilfork -DT
10. T. Harris -DT
11. K. Winslow -TE
12. K. Udeze -DE
I don’t think any of the above will slip to us. So realistically, with who’s left, which 5 players would you be happy with staying at #18? Here’s my top 5 I’d be very happy with…

1. D. Hall - CB
2. J. Vilma - LB
3. D. Robinson – CB
4. Will Smith – DE
5. DJ Williams – LB

If all 17 are gone when we pick, I think we should trade down.

Saints fab 5 at 18
 

Rivers is a good possibility to go before we pick. Also, N.E. could jump ahread to grab a RB before Dallas does

Saints fab 5 at 18
 

The same guy who I just argued with about Teddy Lehman, and questioned my knowledge about the game, thinks the Saints drafting a DE in the first round is a good thing. DE is the last thing this team needs, everyone knows that.

[Edited on 4/6/2004 by pakowitz]

Saints fab 5 at 18
 

He\'s 4th on my list Mr. Observant! And the reason he\'s on my list is because I feel he fits into that BAP philosophy.
The last thing we needed was a Running Back when we drafted Deuce.
Oh, BTW: I didn\'t argue with you about Lehman.
Better prepare that next case Matlock...



[Edited on 4/6/2004 by pakowitz]

Saints fab 5 at 18
 

What does me saying you don\'t have any idea what you\'re talking about, have to do with me being thin-skinned?

Yes, 4th on your list and he shouldn\'t be top 50 on the Saints\' list of guys to target at 17.. We are more than set at DE, we don\'t even have a minor need for depth at the position with Howard & Grant starting, and Whitehead, Bryant & Williams backing them up.

Ricky Williams wasnt all that great and was injury prone when Deuce was drafted. It may not of been a major need, but it sure was a much bigger need than a DE is now.

Yes, BAP is usually the best way to go. But not when it is for a guy who may be a backup to a backup for a year or two, at which point he may become a backup to two guys who aren\'t going anywhere. If everyone is gone when we pick (which won\'t be the case, but...) we should trade down before we even entertain the thought of drafting Will Smith.

[Edited on 4/6/2004 by pakowitz]

Saints fab 5 at 18
 

Because it sounds like you\'re getting your panties wadded.

[quote:e37381254d] Yes, 4th on your list and he shouldn\'t be top 50 on the Saints\' list of guys to target at 17.. [/quote]
Well we actually pick at 18 Mel ;)

Yea, Deuce had that indestructable injury free tag applied to him pretty frequently didn\'t he? And Didn\'t Howard miss 10 games due to injury? So its fine to draft Deuce because our starter is injury prone and missed what 2 games?, but that same philosophy is stupid when applied to DE who missed 10 games and has been nicked up his whole career.
Lets try to keep up shall we. Your inconsistencies are becoming annoying.

Maybe the only thing I partly agree with. If a good trade down is available. Its also quite possible to trade Will Smith to someone and get extra picks too.
You think we might be able to get some extra picks for a top 10 talent DE?
NAW! Teams don\'t need a stud DE anymore huh?

Saints fab 5 at 18
 

chill out you two

Saints fab 5 at 18
 

Alright, so Howard isn\'t exactly the most healthy guy around. But we still have 3 guys behind him who would all start. We have much bigger needs, that is the point. Drafting a DE would be about as dumb as the whole Ricky Williams trade.

Saints fab 5 at 18
 

I am perfectly chill. This isn\'t friggin sesame street. Can\'t anyone have a heated discussion around here?

Saints fab 5 at 18
 

I don\'t think that \"heated\" and \"chill\" are two things someone can have/be at the same time...

You can have whatever debate you want of whatever kind you like so long as it is about football and not which posters you believe yourself to be smarter than.

Danno, just out of curiosity, why wouldn\'t you put DJ Williams ahead of Simth? Williams fills a need and has the same after the fact trade value that you point out for Simith.

Saints fab 5 at 18
 

It wouldnt be too farfetched for the Saints to draft Will Smith if he was the only left when we pick because what if we are unable to resign Howard....he could be used as leverage in the negotiations or we could just let Howard walk and we have another young stud at DE...now by no means do i want Will Smith in the first round but it is just an idea...and worse case scenerio, we have three DE\'s to rotate in and if one goes down, depth will never be an issue...Plus, we could all get jiggy with it.

Saints fab 5 at 18
 

I know this is only one guy\'s report, but its EXACTLY the type of player I don\'t want in our LB unit.
DJ Williams LB Miami

Strengths
DJ is one of the bigger linebackers in this draft. He has good speed. He also has good strength and does a good job of tackling. He is very athletic.


Needs to improve
DJ lacks great lateral movement and does not fight through his blocks. He is a bit stiff in the hips and on sweeps, gets caught up in the wash too much.


Bottom Line
DJ, DJ, DJ, you make me shake my head every time I see you play. You have so much talent and you give so much effort and yet you are still so far behind in your development. I ask myself why and I continue to this day to watch film just to figure it out. To be honest, I don\'t know if you will ever be that good in the passing game. Your hips are locked but you do give the effort. The thing that bothers me the most is that you hesitate in everything you do. You have no confidence in yourself. You are a 1st rounder in size, strength and speed but you do not lead others around you. You should have taken control of your play and the play of others around you by now. There is only one thing worse on a team than an indecisive QB and that is an indecisive MLB. I think for the time being in the pros, the team that drafts you should use you for one thing and one thing only. Just rush the passer. This will help you to break the habit of hesitating and give you some success and confidence. This will develop you faster then anything else. If I were your coach, I would think your name was Damn-it Williams because that is what I would be saying to you all through practice and the game.

Drew Boylhart
Sounds like Mark Fields, Sedrick Hodge, and James Allen all rolled into one.
I shouldn\'t let it bother me because so many others are so high on him, I just haven\'t seen our current staff develop LB talent yet.
We have too many gifted atheletes at LB, I want a LB ready to play day 1. Vilma in the 1st or a Thomas, Lehman, Daryl Smith or Rod Davis in the 2nd/3rd.
I\'m just a bit gunshy on DJ now, but I probably should have included him.
Whats one guys opinion anyway?

[Edited on 7/4/2004 by Danno]

Saints fab 5 at 18
 

Danno-

Are you just following the crowd and regurgitating what you heard on ESPN or in a forum? :P

My take on Williams- great athlete, but what is going on in that head of his? He won\'t be an opening day starter, unless he\'s drafted by a team who has a wretched linebacking crew, much like the Saints. Seriously, his lack of focus and attention remind me of some potheads I knew in college.

Saints fab 5 at 18
 

No. I\'m a professional scout. I travel to all the top 25 games every week to scout the 224 players or so that\'ll be drafted this month. I did this basically in my free time with my sky-miles. I fit it in between taking care of two kids and my full time job.
I feed most of my info to Mel Kiper, Mike Detillier, CBS, FOX, ESPN and USA Today.
So basically I know it all and the rest of you guys don\'t know squat! ;)

Saints fab 5 at 18
 

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