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JimmyB1775 03-14-2012 09:46 AM

I need a know-it-all
 
Ok. So Nicks is gone, Colston signed, LB's and G's inbound for interviews. Where does this leave the team with Drew and the money we'll need to pay him. I only partially understand the way a contract is structured and salary caps work. Someone said we had $6m to play with. We already gave Colston a bunch of money. And we're interviewing guys that will cost us $3m each, easy. Drew is going to cost us more than the $14m the tag carries with it once he gets signed. How does ML structure these things with bonus money and everything else so we can afford everyone. I am a fairly smart guy by my math is out of practice. With the contracts we have, it seems we'll be over. Somebody, please enlighten me!

RockyMountainSaint 03-14-2012 09:50 AM

Good questions.

Danno 03-14-2012 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by JimmyB1775 (Post 387169)
Ok. So Nicks is gone, Colston signed, LB's and G's inbound for interviews. Where does this leave the team with Drew and the money we'll need to pay him. I only partially understand the way a contract is structured and salary caps work. Someone said we had $6m to play with. We already gave Colston a bunch of money. And we're interviewing guys that will cost us $3m each, easy. Drew is going to cost us more than the $14m the tag carries with it once he gets signed. How does ML structure these things with bonus money and everything else so we can afford everyone. I am a fairly smart guy by my math is out of practice. With the contracts we have, it seems we'll be over. Somebody, please enlighten me!

If you put most of the money in bonus, you can evenly spread it out over the life of the contract. You can then manipulate/adjust the yearly salary to fit how you want.

Will smith is making barely over vet minimum right now, but he received a big fat check that we can spread over several years, reducing his cap hit this year. We'll eventually have to pay the piper, but thats several years down the road when likely the cap increases.

SapperSaint 03-14-2012 09:53 AM

My wife says I'm a know it all. But I have the same questions as you do, brother.

JimmyB1775 03-14-2012 10:15 AM

So do we have $21m to give Brees after we sign Grubbs (or similar) and Hawthorne (or similar)?
And we need to cut Vilma. He's going to be dead weight once this ruling comes down.

FinSaint 03-14-2012 10:16 AM

Like Danno said, teams can "massage" the cap in various ways, one of the most usual one is to restructure deals and include said type of bonuses.

Teams can do this if they are willing to accept the fact that they will, in all likelihood, have to pay the players the big money eventually or if they feel comfortable in the fact that their players will be willing to restructure once again in the future.

The Saints also still have plenty of candidates for further restructures or roster cuts, so Loomis has plenty of ways to manipulate the cap figures to fit in the players they need/want signed.

FinSaint 03-14-2012 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by JimmyB1775 (Post 387192)
So do we have $21m to give Brees after we sign Grubbs (or similar) and Hawthorne (or similar)?
And we need to cut Vilma. He's going to be dead weight once this ruling comes down.


If need be: yes, definitely. But it means that they have to do some sacrifices in other areas.

saintfan 03-14-2012 10:20 AM

Isn't it funny how the cap isn't simple. Every year it seems like it gets more complicated. The NFL is the new IRS or what?

FinSaint 03-14-2012 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by saintfan (Post 387205)
Isn't it funny how the cap isn't simple. Every year it seems like it gets more complicated. The NFL is the new IRS or what?


Instead of...


http://media-cdn.pinterest.com/uploa...aiGZi151_b.jpg


we should have...


http://www.cacetech.com/assets/legac...ocap_small.gif

alexonfyre 03-14-2012 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by FinSaint (Post 387221)

That glitch could be a doozy

"So we have cut Chris Ivory and Jonathan Vilma to sign Tiki Barber to 3 yr/15m deal and offer Brees 7 yrs/165mil"

mikesaintfan 03-14-2012 10:37 AM

IMHO the NFL should allow a percentage of a players "cap-hit" to be reduced if they are resigning with the team that DRAFTED them...it would allow teams to remain together as a team...

NOLA54 03-14-2012 11:01 AM

It's VOODO!

Kryptonite 03-14-2012 11:09 AM

Hold on, let me ask the wife!!!

Rugby Saint II 03-14-2012 11:30 AM

How about a know a little? :wink:

Kryptonite 03-14-2012 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 387260)
How about a know a little? :wink:

LMAO!

AsylumGuido 03-14-2012 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by saintfan (Post 387205)
Isn't it funny how the cap isn't simple. Every year it seems like it gets more complicated. The NFL is the new IRS or what?

The NFL has more on the ball than the IRS. Far more.

hagan714 03-15-2012 07:43 AM

2013FA

New Orleans Saints
Pos Player FA Status Previous Team Current Team
QB Chase Daniel UFA New Orleans Saints Free Agent
WR Devery Henderson UFA New Orleans Saints Free Agent
OT Jermon Bushrod UFA New Orleans Saints Free Agent
LB Scott Shanle UFA New Orleans Saints Free Agent
CB Jabari Greer UFA New Orleans Saints Free Agent
FS Jonathon Amaya RFA New Orleans Saints Free Agent

Read more: KFFL - 2013 NFL Free Agents

Bushrod is a upper mid level FA that may get some team to over pay him

Jabari Greer will be 31. he is getting up there and might go for the big pay day else where.

Henderson may finally make a huge impact for the saints in 2012. so he is worth watching. His game improved greatly in 2012. OMG i said it again this year

So if there is any way to push drew into the 2013 is a smart move.

FinSaint 03-15-2012 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 387716)
2013FA

New Orleans Saints
Pos Player FA Status Previous Team Current Team
QB Chase Daniel UFA New Orleans Saints Free Agent
WR Devery Henderson UFA New Orleans Saints Free Agent
OT Jermon Bushrod UFA New Orleans Saints Free Agent
LB Scott Shanle UFA New Orleans Saints Free Agent
CB Jabari Greer UFA New Orleans Saints Free Agent
FS Jonathon Amaya RFA New Orleans Saints Free Agent

Read more: KFFL - 2013 NFL Free Agents

Bushrod is a upper mid level FA that may get some team to over pay him

Jabari Greer will be 31. he is getting up there and might go for the big pay day else where.

Henderson may finally make a huge impact for the saints in 2012. so he is worth watching. His game improved greatly in 2012. OMG i said it again this year

So if there is any way to push drew into the 2013 is a smart move.


Well it's obvious to me that Shanle has to be the main FA target for the Saints to get re-signed next year! ;-)

JimmyWalker 03-15-2012 11:17 AM

My thinking is, that the first year of a new Brees contract will need to be mostly signing bonus, unless we do some major restructuring or major cuts.

CharityMike 03-15-2012 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by FinSaint (Post 387810)
Well it's obvious to me that Shanle has to be the main FA target for the Saints to get re-signed next year! ;-)

Somebody forgot to take there meds. :blueshock:

FinSaint 03-15-2012 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by CharityMike (Post 387812)
Somebody forgot to take there meds. :blueshock:


Excuse me, but I took them... maybe just the wrong ones. http://smileys.on-my-web.com/reposit...onfused-31.gif


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