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Who do you think will player better than expected next year?

I am going with Tebucky Jones...One year in the system and I am sure he will work on his tackling

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I am gonna go with Ernie Conwell. I can see him playing H-Back a little this year and there is no way he can play as bad as he did last year. The man is a Christian for God\'s sake. You know the Lord wont let him have two bad years.

Maybe Talman Gardner....i dont expect anything from him so if he does anything it is a surprise to me.

Thank you and God Bless.

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If we take a LB in round one (you know who... :D ), I will say our LB unit as a whole, no matter who starts on the outside.

As of right now tho, I will say Boo Williams. I can see him making a push for the probowl. Brooks looked to him a lot after Conwell went down and he was arguably a top 5 TE the second half of the season.

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I didnt mention Boo because he is supposed to step up next year and perform like he did at the end of the season. I used Conwell instead because he may not be expected to do much this season. He will block, he will line up in the backfield, he will catch about 20 balls and maybe 3 TD\'s. If he does more than that, then to me he is my surprise player for the year.

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What about Cie, he is gonna be stuck right in the middle and everyone is gonna test him so he will get alot of chances.
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Yeah, Williams could be our surprise player...lol just kidding...I am not here to argue in this discussion

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Good call on Cie Grant. IF he steps up...our LB\'s may not be the worst in the league.

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I agree with that, he was a kick ass FF player for me at the end of the year. The only TE i had score for me ever.

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Stallworth. This guy has shown flashes of brilliance. If he stays healthy he\'ll be the fantasy stud this year.
I get nervous when I hear about the trade rumors involving Stallworth or Horn. Horn is one of the best receivers in Saints history and Stallworth has all the physical tools to become one of the best receivers in the league.

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My pick is Aaron Brooks. I don\'t think I will personally be suprised by his play, but all you BROOKS BASHERS certainly will be. He has contiued to improve every year that he has been in the league and now if he can get more consistant play from his recievers he will be even better next year. He will also have Boo starting all year.

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I have to go with Germane Crowell .

Donte hamstring is a play away from being in the hot tub .
Horn is in the doghouse on a cell phone .
Crowell has the heigth to get to those Brooks grandstand passes .

Crowell steps into the number 3 position and is the number 2 receiver by week 8

[Edited on 16/4/2004 by saintz08]

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spanky86604
If only.
I like Tebucky Jones here. Better tackling and a few picks is already more than most people expect from him.

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You can also say Sam Gash. I have high expectations out of him, but I feel people are over-looking this guy...He will help coming out of the backfield, something we haven\'t seen from a fullback yet...Also, I don\'t think Duece will miss a a beat with this guy lead blocking for him

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I am gonna go out on a limb and say James Allen. He has great physical skills and if he can just get it right in his head, he can be a force at LB. I dont know if he has it upstairs yet, or if he ever will, but Allen could be a very solid LB.

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I think several may be surprises, but a surprise would be playing much better than expected, here\'s my take...
Cie Grant-A full year at 240. He\'ll step up, but that won\'t really be a surprise.
Boo- He looked like a probowler in the 2nd half. He wouldn\'t really be a surprise
Brooks-He\'d have to put up 80\'s Marino like numbers to surprise me.
Stallworth-He was supposed to last year, so he really wouldn\'t be a surprise.
Gash-I think he is gonna do more of the same. Crushing painfilled blocks, nut no surprise.
Tebuckey Jones-I thought he did a good job at the FS position, especially late. When his tackling improves, he\'ll be the A-player we expected. So not a surprise.

Real Surprises.
JAMES ALLEN- Word is he\'s much better suited mentally and physically for the SLB, but since they weren\'t gonna give up on Hodge in 2003, he was stuck at WLB. Things may have changed for 2004. Hodge\'s job is not secure anymore. Last year there was camp talk that Allen was pushing for Hodges spot. He may get a full year of TC learning the SLB.
I\'m certainly no coach or expert but I\'ve read the SLB requires less thinking and more agression than the WLB. I\'m not saying Allen is dumb, but his mentality may be a better fit at SLB. He\'s not as good in coverage as Hodge, but he\'s better versus the run.

Jonathan Sullivan-I was hesitant to list him because they\'ve moved him to the nose. His primary task now is to hold ground, redirect plays, collapse pockets and make all the players around him better. They will get the all the glory. He may have a fantastic game, and nobody would know it reading the box scores.

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ubetcha daydoo

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aaron brooks? c\'mon... the guy had the best season ever for a Saints QB. Granted, his inopportune fumbles and mental lapse put us in a bind, but he had a phenomenal year. if he can correct the few flaws of his game, this guy will not only make the Pro Bowl, he\'ll start as well. i\'m going with Tebucky Jones, because, well frankly, I highly doubt he can do worse than last year debaucle.

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Aaron Brooks is a stud QB. He is a top 10 talent at QB and the first legitimate star calibur QB this franchise has had in a long time. I will take 24 TD\'s and 8 picks any year. Yeah yeah yeah, he fumbles the ball. Thats what happens when you try and make plays and that is correctible. I think Spanky named him as his surprise player because he thinks that maybe most of you guys will finally appreciate what he can do on the field.

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honestly, i hope the entire defense surprises me

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I\'ll take Fahkir Brown. He\'ll split time at the nickel spot and come on strong. Ambrose will be odd man out behind Thomas, Craft, the draft pick, and Brown.

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why is ambrose there anyway? for veteran leadership? what spectacular things has he done? did he ever get to a super bowl? pro bowl? simply cut him and save the money vs. the cap

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He has made it to the pro bowl. He did have 2 picks versus the Bucs last year and pretty much won the game for us. He is old and past his prime but still good for a couple of picks and adequate coverage.

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i guess...

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Ambrose isn\'t that bad really. He\'s lost a step, no doubt about that, but he still has some skills.

If we played a Cover-2 System, I bet he could still start.

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if... you know how i feel about that word

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exactly how do you feel about it?
IF you told me, I would know.
IF you choose not to, thats fine too.
IF that is what you want.

If is overrated.

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Ambrose had 41 tackles, 13 passes defs, 3 ints, 1 for a touchdown, and 1 forced fumble.
I don\'t know his exact cap number, but I don\'t think its really that much.

Cut him??? What are you thinking? We already have a need at CB, why would you make the need greater?