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LBCutta 04-10-2012 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by gandhi1007 (Post 396633)
Harper is a SS. A SS primary function is to stop the run 1st, drop back in coverage second. A SS should be a solid tackler. I'd say Harper excells at both stopping the run, blitzing, & tackling.

Jenkins is a FS. The free safety is the last line of defense on the football field. He's definitely more of a pass-minded defender. His job is to sit back, survey, and attack where needed. He supports the run, but not so much as a SS.

With that defined for you, I'd say Harper did his job. Jenkins got beat alot.....a whole lot! Do I think that defines Jenkins as a FS.....NO. I think he had an off year. That said.....I don't see why everyone is so worried about Harper. He did his job. There is a reason he made the Pro Bowl....again. That's probably why alot of other teams have been trying to get him too (like the Giants, etc...) Jenkins, on the other hand, needs to step it up a notch & learn how to tackle.

Trust me I know the roles of a Safety. I was a FS in High School and College. But when every QB in the NFL knows that you are terrible in pass coverage it tends to get exploited. I know the SS is the weaker of the 2 in coverage but the majority of SS are at least decent in coverage when need be. Not Harper. He misses his fare share of open field tackles (along with 75% of the other players on our defense). I think in crucial points of the game he becomes a liability on the field.

Rugby Saint II 04-11-2012 11:28 AM

I personally hope that Jenkins gets moved to the nickle corner. I for one don't think he's played well since Sharper left. Jenkins is a first round draft pick and should be performing better along with the rest of our 1st rounders. He doesn't have a nose for the ball.jmho

jeanpierre 04-11-2012 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by KingCutta (Post 396638)
Trust me I know the roles of a Safety. I was a FS in High School and College. But when every QB in the NFL knows that you are terrible in pass coverage it tends to get exploited. I know the SS is the weaker of the 2 in coverage but the majority of SS are at least decent in coverage when need be. Not Harper. He misses his fare share of open field tackles (along with 75% of the other players on our defense). I think in crucial points of the game he becomes a liability on the field.

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 395740)
It was a play that surrendered a touchdown; and on the previous play Jenkins was burnt at the line and Harper was late on the backside along with a bad angle and a mistackle...

Watch video at 1:54 and see Wild finish in San Francisco 1/14/2012 - YouTube


This seems like a more appropriate spot to post...

jeanpierre 04-11-2012 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 395752)
And five more reasons why we need to upgrade Strong Safety...

Saints vs. Packers Highlights - YouTube

1:12 J Nelson is covered by ?

1:50 J Finley is covered by ?

2:00 Cobb is covered by ?

2:36 Starks runs over a 'hard hitting safety' for the score, guess who?

5:20 The thing Harper is suppose to do well (sacks) and he needs help from Gallette to bring Rodgers down...

Wanna looks at that Seattle game in the previous playoffs?


This seems like the right thread to post...

Danno 04-11-2012 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 396925)
Saints vs. Packers Highlights - YouTube

This seems like the right thread to post...

Wow, I give up. Your credibility has pretty much zero'd out on this issue and quite frankly makes anything you comment on suspect..

I'm officially done with your biased and uninformed opinions JP.

It appears no amount of facts will sway you from your ignorance, so I'm thru with providing them.

gandhi1007 04-11-2012 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 396927)
Wow, I give up. Your credibility has pretty much zero'd out on this issue and quite frankly makes anything you comment on suspect..

I'm officially done with your biased and uninformed opinions JP.

It appears no amount of facts will sway you from your ignorance, so I'm thru with providing them.

I give up with biased & blind people myself. Harper is probably our best defensive player, but some people have never given up the hate of the man.

P.S.- JP, you should look closely at those videos. Some of them are Harper coming in late because of missed assignments by our FS.

jeanpierre 04-11-2012 06:25 PM


1:20 "Safety Play from New Orleans Saints all day was simply awful"

2:08 "Roman Harper completely out of position"

2:31 "...I'm a veteran and I shouldn't let that happen"

3:40 "...you have to be an athlete..."

jeanpierre 04-11-2012 06:25 PM

But to me it comes back to this...


Danno 04-11-2012 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by gandhi1007 (Post 396932)
I give up with biased & blind people myself. Harper is probably our best defensive player, but some people have never given up the hate of the man.

P.S.- JP, you should look closely at those videos. Some of them are Harper coming in late because of missed assignments by our FS.

Again, you and 70 million other people point this out yet he continues his flawed agenda against Harper.

I can make a "worst of Drew Brees" video and claim he sucks.

Oh well, thats what the ignore feature is for.

|Mitch| 04-11-2012 06:28 PM

The whole defense were horrible in that Seattle game, can't single out Harper!


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