Defensive player suspensions

ScottF · 04-15-2012, 07:57 AM

Originally Posted by SloMotion

I think it's going to be too hard to nail down that many individual players with real proof not.

I agree, unless of course there is a paper trail that actually says _________ got $1500.
I'll go back to what MANY have said: where were the injuries, cart-offs, knockouts, whatever? Seriously, how many 'bounties' were really paid?

WhoDat!656 · 04-15-2012, 02:12 PM

Goodell is hanging his hat on intent!

He doesn't care if any Saints players received one red cent!

I agree that Vilma will probably get a year-suspension; if Goodell has proof of his 'cash' offer, if wouldn't be surprised if he gets a lifetime ban.

FinSaint · 04-15-2012, 02:26 PM

Still the NFLPA will try to fight any punishments that would set an undesirable precedent for the future, which could potentially give the league even more power over the players and their association/union.

Seer1 · 04-15-2012, 02:38 PM

22-27 current and retired players with no idea who? Plus godell waiting until when, the season starts to announce it? Is our offense expected to play both ways? Not that Drew probably wouldn't make a hell of a CB but... I still think it's that corporate rat bastard's way of giving us a post season ban.

FinSaint · 04-15-2012, 02:50 PM

It's frustrating for sure, but we can look at it from the positive perspective of the longer it takes for the league to announce any suspensions, the more probable it would seem that there won't be many of them or that they won't be severe in nature - otherwise it would certainly seem that there is a malice intent behind delaying their announcement.

|Mitch| · 04-15-2012, 03:06 PM

The only "bright side" I see is because of the threat of the suspensions, we have totally retooled our LB group. Not sure if it's just because of Spagnoulo or the suspensions, but whatever...

And the extended length of the suspension ruling has me thinking that the NFLPA has made Goodell rethink his decision: almost like he was planning to be really harsh and the 'PA said "Not So Fast"!

FinSaint · 04-15-2012, 04:47 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

The only "bright side" I see is because of the threat of the suspensions, we have totally retooled our LB group. Not sure if it's just because of Spagnoulo or the suspensions, but whatever...

I think it's clear that Spags wanted to make some changes in the LB corps, and I think we all agree that he needed to.

But more than that I think we can derive from the moves that have been made and ones that haven't been - i.e. letting Dunbar sign elsewhere - that the Saints didn't have the required personnel to run Spags' schemes.

It seems that Spags really wants a thumper MLB, which Lofton and Hawthorne clearly are, while probably decreasing the role the SS and FS will have in the run defense.

With guys like Lofton, Hawthorne, and Wilson it seems like these guys will be solid in the second tier of the run defense and also if the front 4 can tie up some people, we could very well see them occasionally break through to make some plays behind the line of scrimmage.

It would be awesome to add a 100% healthy Vilma into the mix, that would simply give Spags a group which could adjust to pretty much any situation while having very high quality rotation.

ScottF · 04-16-2012, 06:48 AM

the longer delay could help if it extends to the summer. Each of the players could appeal in intervals, so all hearings could not happen at once and we could stagger the suspensions.
My thought is that they are nowhere ready to rule bc no one has spoken to the players yet.

04-15-2012, 07:57 AM	#1
ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Originally Posted by SloMotion I think it's going to be too hard to nail down that many individual players with real proof not. I agree, unless of course there is a paper trail that actually says _________ got $1500. I'll go back to what MANY have said: where were the injuries, cart-offs, knockouts, whatever? Seriously, how many 'bounties' were really paid?

04-15-2012, 04:47 PM	#7
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,963	Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| The only "bright side" I see is because of the threat of the suspensions, we have totally retooled our LB group. Not sure if it's just because of Spagnoulo or the suspensions, but whatever... I think it's clear that Spags wanted to make some changes in the LB corps, and I think we all agree that he needed to. But more than that I think we can derive from the moves that have been made and ones that haven't been - i.e. letting Dunbar sign elsewhere - that the Saints didn't have the required personnel to run Spags' schemes. It seems that Spags really wants a thumper MLB, which Lofton and Hawthorne clearly are, while probably decreasing the role the SS and FS will have in the run defense. With guys like Lofton, Hawthorne, and Wilson it seems like these guys will be solid in the second tier of the run defense and also if the front 4 can tie up some people, we could very well see them occasionally break through to make some plays behind the line of scrimmage. It would be awesome to add a 100% healthy Vilma into the mix, that would simply give Spags a group which could adjust to pretty much any situation while having very high quality rotation. iceshack149 likes this.
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04-15-2012, 02:12 PM	#2
WhoDat!656 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Shreveport,Louisiana Posts: 16,086	Goodell is hanging his hat on intent! He doesn't care if any Saints players received one red cent! I agree that Vilma will probably get a year-suspension; if Goodell has proof of his 'cash' offer, if wouldn't be surprised if he gets a lifetime ban.

04-15-2012, 02:26 PM	#3
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,963	Still the NFLPA will try to fight any punishments that would set an undesirable precedent for the future, which could potentially give the league even more power over the players and their association/union.

04-15-2012, 02:38 PM	#4
Seer1 Site Donor Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Bayou Bayfield CO Posts: 4,722	22-27 current and retired players with no idea who? Plus godell waiting until when, the season starts to announce it? Is our offense expected to play both ways? Not that Drew probably wouldn't make a hell of a CB but... I still think it's that corporate rat bastard's way of giving us a post season ban.

04-15-2012, 02:50 PM	#5
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,963	It's frustrating for sure, but we can look at it from the positive perspective of the longer it takes for the league to announce any suspensions, the more probable it would seem that there won't be many of them or that they won't be severe in nature - otherwise it would certainly seem that there is a malice intent behind delaying their announcement.

04-15-2012, 03:06 PM	#6
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	The only "bright side" I see is because of the threat of the suspensions, we have totally retooled our LB group. Not sure if it's just because of Spagnoulo or the suspensions, but whatever... And the extended length of the suspension ruling has me thinking that the NFLPA has made Goodell rethink his decision: almost like he was planning to be really harsh and the 'PA said "Not So Fast"!

04-16-2012, 06:48 AM	#8
ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	the longer delay could help if it extends to the summer. Each of the players could appeal in intervals, so all hearings could not happen at once and we could stagger the suspensions. My thought is that they are nowhere ready to rule bc no one has spoken to the players yet.