You're right, I'm sorry for pointing out your backward ass comment. While you're at it, care to drop a few racial slurs for our reading pleasure? We can discuss the Saints and our mutual disdain for Goodell without resorting to slurs, that's all I'm saying.

Well, sense no one was paid for any hit, and godell has no evidence of player involvement. My take is, he is just fining the leadership in hopes of winning a possible court case. Hardgrove is clearly for fan approval, and makes the least sense.

Steve Wyche said Hargrove had a part in hiding the bounty system in 2010 when the NFL was asking the Saints about it and that's why he was suspended

that's some old school loyalty covering for Vilma & Fujita....dude just got made...

I don't like the legnth of the penalties and am a huge Vilma fan, but IMO this is a big win for the Saints. I was expecting many players to be suspended. Most folks were prepared to lose Vilma. This board was calling for him to be cut to clear space. Lofton is possibly an upgrade. So basically we lose Smith for 5 games. That's a huge win. I was bracing to lose way more than this. We have a soft 1st 5 games. This is best case scenario IMO.

Let's hope this is it and there are no other suspensions. The suspension of only two players - even if Vilma for the entire year is insane - should be fairly easy to work around. Kudos to Loomis for signing other LBs in free agency.

Sounds to me if you denied any part of anything that you might have known about, you were suspended for 1 year.

if you admitted to it, you were suspended for 3 to 8 games.......

then there is Gregg Williams, which leads me back to the God-Dell Equation of Punishment:

:pokechop: + :band: = :peace:

Simple, yet INEFFECTIVE!

Vilma was out how many games last year? And we were fine. Leader? Yes. Leading productivity? No.

Alaska

So with Vilma being suspended are we contractually obligated to pay him and if not does what he would have made go against us on the salary cap?

I think he doesn't count against the cap now, I could be wrong though