Better NFL offense: Patriots or Saints?
 

Without reading, i'm saying Saints.

RBs - Saints
WRs - Saints
TEs - NE
O Line - Saints
FB - Saints

You would be wrong

Prove it

I am not saying you are wrong, just that you should have read the article.

Pro Football Weekly dawg... Do I really need to go into that one? lol

New Orleans Saints Roster - 2011

OFFENSE
NO NAME POS AGE HT WT EXP COLLEGE
9 Drew Brees QB 33 6-0 209 11 Purdue
-- Sean Canfield QB 25 6-4 223 1 Oregon State
-- Travaris Cadet RB 23 6-0 205 R Appalachian State
28 Mark Ingram RB 22 5-9 215 R Alabama
29 Chris Ivory RB 24 6-0 222 2 Tiffin University
43 Darren Sproles RB 28 5-6 190 7 Kansas State
-- Chris Taylor RB 28 6-0 224 5 Indiana
23 Pierre Thomas RB 27 5-11 215 5 Illinois
45 Jed Collins FB 26 6-1 255 2 Washington State
35 Korey Hall FB 28 6-0 236 5 Boise State
87 Adrian Arrington WR 26 6-3 192 2 Michigan
-- Malcolm Beyah WR 22 5-11 182 R Middle Tennessee State
12 Marques Colston WR 28 6-4 225 6 Hofstra
-- Chris Givens WR 23 6-2 209 R Miami (Ohio)
-- Kevin Hardy WR 22 6-0 186 R The Citadel
19 Devery Henderson WR 30 5-11 200 8 LSU
16 Lance Moore WR 28 5-9 190 6 Toledo
13 Joe Morgan WR 24 6-1 184 R Walsh
15 Courtney Roby WR 29 6-0 189 6 Indiana
-- Andy Tanner WR 24 6-0 183 1 Midwestern State
-- Nick Toon WR 23 6-3 218 R Wisconsin
-- Jake Byrne TE 22 6-4 260 R Wisconsin
80 Jimmy Graham TE 25 6-6 260 2 Miami (Fla.)
81 Mike Higgins TE 24 6-5 242 R Nebraska-Omaha
85 David Thomas TE 28 6-3 248 6 Texas
-- Brian Folkerts C 22 6-4 303 R Washburn
65 Matt Tennant C 25 6-4 300 2 Boston College
71 Charles Brown OT 25 6-5 297 2 USC
74 Jermon Bushrod OT 27 6-5 315 5 Towson
-- Hutch Eckerson OT 24 6-4 281 R South Carolina
-- Marcel Jones OT 23 6-7 320 R Nebraska
-- DeOn'tae Pannell OT 22 6-5 310 R Penn State
-- Aderious Simmons OT 25 6-7 308 R Arizona State
64 Zach Strief OT 28 6-7 320 6 Northwestern
-- Phil Trautwein OT 26 6-6 310 2 Florida
-- Fenuki Tupou OT 27 6-5 323 2 Oregon
60 Brian De La Puente OG 27 6-2 306 2 California
73 Jahri Evans OG 28 6-4 318 6 Bloomsburg
-- Ben Grubbs OG 28 6-3 310 5 Auburn
70 Eric Olsen OG 23 6-3 305 2 Notre Dame
-- Andrew Tiller OG 22 6-5 334 R Syracuse

New England Patriots Roster - 2011

OFFENSE
NO NAME POS AGE HT WT EXP COLLEGE
12 Tom Brady QB 34 6-4 225 12 Michigan
8 Brian Hoyer QB 26 6-2 215 3 Michigan State
15 Ryan Mallett QB 23 6-6 238 R Arkansas
-- Joseph Addai RB 29 5-11 214 6 LSU
-- Brandon Bolden RB 22 5-11 215 R Mississippi
-- Eric Kettani RB 25 5-11 235 R Navy
22 Stevan Ridley RB 23 5-11 225 R LSU
34 Shane Vereen RB 23 5-9 205 R California
39 Danny Woodhead RB 27 5-8 195 4 Chadron State
-- Tony Fiammetta FB 25 6-0 242 3 Syracuse
-- Spencer Larsen FB 28 6-2 243 4 Arizona
84 Deion Branch WR 32 5-9 195 10 Louisville
-- Britt Davis WR 26 6-3 215 1 Northern Illinois
-- Jeremy Ebert WR 23 5-11 200 R Northwestern
11 Julian Edelman WR 26 5-10 198 3 Kent State
-- Jabar Gaffney WR 31 6-2 200 10 Florida
-- Anthony Gonzalez WR 27 6-0 193 5 Ohio State
-- Brandon Lloyd WR 30 6-0 188 9 Illinois
85 Chad Ochocinco WR 34 6-1 192 11 Oregon State
-- Matt Roark WR -- 6-5 214 R Kentucky
18 Matthew Slater WR 26 6-0 200 4 UCLA
-- Donte' Stallworth WR 31 6-0 220 9 Tennessee
83 Wes Welker WR 31 5-9 185 8 Texas Tech
-- Daniel Fells TE 28 6-4 252 5 California-Davis
87 Rob Gronkowski TE 23 6-6 265 2 Arizona
-- Brad Herman TE 22 6-5 255 R Iowa
81 Aaron Hernandez TE 22 6-1 245 2 Florida
67 Dan Koppen C 32 6-2 296 9 Boston College
62 Ryan Wendell C 26 6-2 290 3 Fresno State
-- Jeremiah Warren OL 24 6-4 329 R South Florida
61 Marcus Cannon OT 24 6-5 358 R Texas Christian
69 Kyle Hix OT 23 6-7 325 R Texas
-- Matt Kopa OT 25 6-6 303 2 Stanford
-- Jon Opperud OT 22 6-7 300 R Montana
77 Nate Solder OT 24 6-8 319 R Colorado
76 Sebastian Vollmer OT 27 6-8 315 3 Houston
-- Markus Zusevics OT 23 6-5 287 R Iowa
63 Dan Connolly OG 29 6-4 313 6 Southeast Missouri State
-- Robert Gallery OG 31 6-7 325 8 Iowa
70 Logan Mankins OG 30 6-4 310 7 Fresno State
65 Nick McDonald OG 24 6-4 305 2 Grand Valley State
60 Rich Ohrnberger OG 26 6-2 300 3 Penn State
64 Donald Thomas OG 26 6-4 310 4 Connecticut
54 Brian Waters OG 35 6-3 320 12 North Texas

I'm sure there are a few players missing

The article was based on now, not 2011

I'm a little biased. So I'm picking the Saints.

Not far off IMO.

Rbs- Definitely Saints
Wrs- Wash
Tes- Definitely NE
O Line- Wash

Saints for the obvious reason. We can run the ball better which makes us more dynamic.

Well theres
RB's = Yes Saints because its proven. But Patriots have a decent line up.
WRs = WE might be even this year. Seriously Welker, Branch, Lloyd ( we all know Donte’ Stallworth is a bust), gaffney.
TE= Im not going to give Patriots this. Graham catches anything, but Gronk runs better after the catch. I was schooled on Hernz vs Davids so maybe they have us on that. But Graham and Gronk are even in my book. Different skill sets.
OL = pretty even considering we don't know how we will perform.
QB = Brady is better. He was up with Brees in stats last year, less interceptions.

So are the rosters. I don't know why it says 2011.

Graham over Gronk any day.

I'm not even going to open it, if you are saying. Based on now??? It would be New England, they have Brady. We have Chase.
No need to look any further than that!

If SP wasn't suspended, and Brees was signed, this would be a no brainer and we'd win easily. That being said, I still think in overall production our offense will continue to hum right along like the well oiled machine it is. That is as long as Brees signs and plays.

Graham is incredible, but at minimum they're even. Virtually the same number of receptions and yards, but Gronkowski had 7 more TD; he's a very good blocker too.


Saints are better at WR and RB
Patriots get more from the TE position
Both are very good at QB and OL


Overall a slight edge to the Saints, probably because of the versatility and not relying on so few players. Saints scored 2.1 more points per game, had 39 more yards per game, passed for 263 more yards and ran for 363 more yards. Turnovers are about equal (NE 17; NO 19).

Looking ahead New England may (or may not) be able to surpass the Saints offense in 2012, adding Brandon Lloyd, Jabar Gaffney, Daniel Fells as a 3rd TE, etc., but to do so they'll need to get good production from one or both of their 2nd-year running backs.

Nice first post. Welcome aboard Hugh.

Hernandez over Thomas (or whoever "starts" this year)

Now its between the Saints and the Lions for the championship!

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Great post. I still consider Graham a better pass catcher and Gronk to be better after then runner after the catch. Which make them even in my book. NE does have a better TE core thou.

The only reason I consider the Saints might have a better WR core is it has proven vets with Henderson,Moore Colston, and Arrington. Plus adding Toon helps. Arrington is not thrown to much, but his catch percentage is 82%. He just hasn't seen the field much. He seems to be a typical lunch pale WR to me.
Nothing special, but can work fine in our offense.

Brandon Lloyd, Jabar Gaffney, are just not proven yet. Not saying they are not good, but even Ocho had a problem learning to catch for Brady and he's a vet.
I think Lloyd will be a star there, personally, he's good. What about the difference in OL?

Saints do have a much better run offense than the Patriots do, or at least they did last season and the future is unknown - #6 vs #20.

A large part of that is and was the superior play of the Saints' O-line, and I do think they are better than their colleagues with the Patriots - in fact, they are the best in the business and there'll be no drop of with Grubbs.

Gronkowski is a much better blocker than Graham is and he is a much more complete TE at present, but given how new Graham is to the game of football - I predict that 10 years from now Graham will have had a far superior career.

better question..who has the worse defense?

LOL, not the topic, but so true.

While Lloyd and Gaffney did play on other teams in 2011, I don't think there should be the doubt that they can figure it out the way Ochocinco did. Lloyd followed Josh McDaniels to New England and they use the same type of offense, terminology, etc., and Gaffney did well when he played there a couple years ago. If Gaffney can get 947 yards with Rex Grossman throwing the ball last year then he should be fine with Brady as his QB. Lloyd had 2414 yards and 16 TD over the last two years, so again I don't envision an Ochocinco type of dropoff.

I think it looks like the Patriots WRs should be slightly better than the Saints WRs in 2012, but the Saints still have a big advantage with their RBs - not just running the ball, but especially in the passing game - which could/should make the Saints offense still slightly better than the Patriots offense this year.

As for the OL it looks to me like both are very good, both in terms of starters as well as depth for when the inevitable injury strikes.

Well not going to agree on the WR situation, just yet, but open to it. Is Lloyd going to equal Colston? He didn't his 1st season.
Gaffney going to equal Moore ? He also didn't . Moore is close to welkers catch percentage every year.
I know the hope is 900 yrd WR's, but it needs to be proven on your team. I think.
These are 2 guys that already have better production then then Gaffney, or Lloyd. You think? So how are they better than what we already have in place?

What WR's are we comparing? Colston vs any one the Pats , Moore vs welker? Henderson vs Gaffney ? I think you know were I am going with this. But do understand I don't think the Patriots, who we actually really respect and their fans, have anything to compare to Colston.

Im just not getting the equal already or surpass later thing, right now. That seems a little more theory to me at this time and place. Let me know. We love outside opinions here, and good posters. appreciate the input thanks.

I would also encourage anyone to post on the same topic in their forum. Its one of the best moderated forums Ive been in, and they have some really good football knowledge. Just as always, as we say , represent us well. It would be nice to get a friendly stream of dialogue between our 2 sites. Most of what the Patriots hear is from Saintsreport, and thats not a true reflection of how we think. This site is.

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Without a doubt, the Saints!

Couldn't stop the 40-whiners from scoring with 1:37 left in the game; at least the Patricheats crappy defense got to the Super Bowl.

But if the Saints had gotten to the Super Bowl against the Pats, the only question would have been how badly would the Saints beat New England!

All I know is, we are getting beat by 25 votes to the Lions??? Slo..you got some splaining to dooo

I know they're looking at 2012, and we'll be without Payton, but my goodness, we beat the Lions 31-17 and 45-28

And BTW, in the playoffs we had 628 yards of offense and knelt down 3 times inside their 5 yard line to end the game.

And our defenses were about the same last year.

How is this even a contest? 628 yards and 6 TD's? In one game?

Well, I'd rather have the actual Super Bowl title than the victory is this meaningless pole.

:bng:

... hehehe ... you heard the man, Detroit stuffed the ballot box to get by Green Bay ... it must be "SloMotion's Army" stuffing the box early in the final vote vs the Saints, :lol: ... they must not have gotten the memo that New Orleans' has the better run game and cancels out any debate of Detroit coming out ahead in this poll ... last I checked, you guys were up by a couple hundred votes anyway ... did I call this one? I think somewhere I predicted a Detroit/New Orleans final ... not that I was expecting to win, but expecting to be there is reasonable ... we're in your rearview mirror, it's gonna' be Saints/Lions for the NFC Championship soon enough and what a glorious day that will be, :mrgreen: ...

... hey, hey ... don't rub it in, :lol: ... but yeah, our defenses are about equal and even the offenses, for the most part ... it's the run game where New Orleans kicks Detroit's ass in a poll like this ... goddang Lions' run game, it's non-existent.

... had you worried there for a moment, eh? :lol:.


... just a little good-natured fun guys, I'm sure y'all know how it feels to go from 'worst-to-first' ... that's where I'm at on this, just sitting here happy that the Lions are getting some press, :mrgreen:.

Well, I haven't voted once, so I'm really not that heavily invested in the final result, but I do think that the Lions have one of the better offenses in the league - just not a Top 2 offense with their lack of a running game.

And there's been some Lions' news recently, just yesterday there was an article on NFL.com about Suh looking forward to turning the page on a disappointing season. ;-)

Anyway, I'd trade for less media attention any day after the offseason the Saints have had this year, so count yourself lucky.

... yeah, I was glad to see the big guy is finally learning how to admit to his shortcomings, when he has 'em ... I was pointing that out halfway through the season that he wasn't performing up to expectations ... I don't blame Suh as much as I blame Cunningham, the defensive coordinator, who had Ndamukong lining up in the exact same position and doing the exact same thing, every play of every defensive series ... it was so damn predictable, easy to block & did nothing to help the defensive play of the Lions ... hopefully next season they'll move him around and stunt him more, that's how you use a guy like Suh, IMO ...