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WhoDat!656 07-02-2012 05:34 PM

Could the Pittsburgh Steelers Lure Chris Ivory from New Orleans Saints?
 
Running back continues to offer headaches for the Pittsburgh Steelers. With uncertainty around their passing attack and the New Orleans Saints rich with talent, should they try a trade for quiet producer Chris Ivory?

There is always a reason a team goes 13-3 and for the New Orleans Saints it's all about the offense. From the wide receivers to the running backs and tight ends there is Pro Bowl talent. At the heart of it all is quarterback Drew Brees. The All-Pro, record-breaking passer has become the one person standing between New Orleans and a losing season after the "Bounty" scandal decimated the coaching staff and the defense. That more than most reasons could explain why Brees has not signed his long-term contract with the team. He, however thinks it's because of his role in the CBA agreement last year. Several unnamed players shot back at those comments, calling Brees a "fair-haired boy of the players union." This kind of distraction is exactly what might sink the Saints in 2012, especially how fragile the front office is. New Orleans lost a number of high draft picks because of the scandal and might have no way to replace them unless they make some deals. One player who can help is Chris Ivory. The former 2010 draft pick has played very well when given chances but with Darren Sproles and Heisman winner Mark Ingram ahead of him, finding touches is getting harder. That said some teams might have interest in trading for him.

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vpheughan 07-02-2012 06:01 PM

And if its and buts were candy and nuts we'd all have a Merry Christmas!!

WhoDat!656 07-02-2012 06:44 PM

Not beyond the realm of possibility.

Personally, if I was going to trade one of our RBs, it would be Ingram.

|Mitch| 07-02-2012 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 (Post 415902)
Not beyond the realm of possibility.

Personally, if I was going to trade one of our RBs, it would be Ingram.

You can't be serious?! :rolleyes: A first round pick 2 drafts ago not even in his prime yet, sidelined by a minor injury and you trade him?!

TheOak 07-02-2012 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by |Mitch| (Post 415903)
You can't be serious?! :rolleyes: A first round pick 2 drafts ago not even in his prime yet, sidelined by a minor injury and you trade him?!

Sometimes you need to know when to cut bait... The bait I would cut would be Ivory.. and I love watching that dude run... But h is fragile...

Ingram had no chance of having a great first season with ZERO preseason and being one of a stable... kid never had a chance to get his rythem... I am ignoring his draft status.. win some... lose some.

Chris: $540k/year
Ingram is $712 this year and goes up next year.


Its a tough call... really

WhoDat!656 07-02-2012 07:13 PM

I don't WANT the Saints to trade any of our RBs, but if we needed to trade someone to replace an injuried player, I would trade Ingram.

saintsfan1976 07-02-2012 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by x626xBlack (Post 415906)
Sometimes you need to know when to cut bait... The bait I would cut would be Ivory.. and I love watching that dude run... But h is fragile...

Ingram had no chance of having a great first season with ZERO preseason and being one of a stable... kid never had a chance to get his rythem... I am ignoring his draft status.. win some... lose some.

Chris: $540k/year
Ingram is $712 this year and goes up next year.


Its a tough call... really



It's an easy call.

Chris Ivory - injured throughout college with barely enough stats to record. Injured every NFL season, showed flashes of ability that ended as soon as our starters healed. Why do you think we signed Ingram??


Mark Ingram -
National Championship starting RB
Single Season rushing record at UA
Undefeated season (starting RB)
First Heisman Trophy winner EVER at Alabama


Now, if there are any question marks on Ingram, they come following the beginning of his Junior season. Starts the season with minor knee surgery, misses the first few games, has a few good games but never goes for more than 100 yds the rest of the year.

Then he becomes a Saint, has a heel injury and a toe injury and basically takes the season to heal.

Who has more upside in your opinion?

WhoDat!656 07-02-2012 08:13 PM

Then he becomes a Saint, has a heel injury and a toe injury and basically takes the season to heal.

Should be noted that Ingram was injuried in the 62-7 win over the Colts and should not have even been on the field at the time.

Luda34 07-02-2012 08:42 PM

Don't do it Lommis don't trade him unless we aleast a 3 round pick for him.

QBREES9 07-02-2012 09:12 PM

Running backs now a days a dime a dozen. I wouldn't want to lose Ivory, and trading Ingram that's not going to happen.

dizzle88 07-03-2012 02:13 AM

There's no way Ingram would get traded, the dude needs some time but he will be a great player for us!

It's hard for him to get set when we are swapping RB's every play, can't wait to see him healthy again though, I'd trade ivory, we've got a couple undrafted RB's that supposedly look good

FinSaint 07-03-2012 04:51 AM

It's difficult to see Ivory having high enough trade value to make this worth while, because even though we all love his running game when he is healthy, he hasn't been healthy long enough to really produce consistently.

They should only trade Ivory if they are compensated with a high enough pick or if they are really high on one of the other RBs they currently have in the system behind Ivory.

No way should they try to trade Ingram away - he is the purest RB they have on their roster and a future star in the league.

Danno 07-03-2012 09:37 AM

Bold prediction : Ivory won't make the team this year.

TheOak 07-03-2012 09:53 AM

How about Ingram for a first or second round pick next season... Which we do not have.

RaginCajun83 07-03-2012 02:28 PM

Goddell never said Saints couldn't have a first or second if the Saints acquired it in a trade, if the Steelers gave a 2nd for Ivory I would hope Loomis would make it happen and the thing is I'd like to keep Ivory because the Saints have shown they can never have enough running backs but something tells me Ingram is going to have a great season this year

Halo 07-03-2012 03:02 PM

THE BEST WAY TO LURE IVORY IS...
http://www.houstontx.gov/fire/unitsa.../ambulance.jpg
THERE AIN'T NOTHIN LIKE BEING SURROUNDED BY HOT NURSES IN A WARM BED AND 3 SQUARE MEALS A DAY!
GO IVRY, GO IVRY....

Cruize 07-03-2012 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 416004)
Bold prediction : Ivory won't make the team this year.

He may end up on IR or possibly could get traded, but unless one of those things happen, he will be on the roster. He won't be just cut. Thomas always gets nicked up. Ingram is still a very big question mark. Sproles is just not an every down back. Plus, the memories of the Seahawks playoff game with guys off the street and an injured FB getting plays at RB are still fresh.

Cruize 07-03-2012 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by RaginCajun83 (Post 416022)
Goddell never said Saints couldn't have a first or second if the Saints acquired it in a trade, if the Steelers gave a 2nd for Ivory I would hope Loomis would make it happen and the thing is I'd like to keep Ivory because the Saints have shown they can never have enough running backs but something tells me Ingram is going to have a great season this year

At best Ivory could bring a 5th from a team that is desperate. He's more valuable to the Saints even if it's in an emergency situation.

Danno 07-03-2012 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Cruize (Post 416031)
He may end up on IR or possibly could get traded, but unless one of those things happen, he will be on the roster. He won't be just cut. Thomas always gets nicked up. Ingram is still a very big question mark. Sproles is just not an every down back. Plus, the memories of the Seahawks playoff game with guys off the street and an injured FB getting plays at RB are still fresh.

1-He'll likely get hurt in TC and that'll be the final straw
2-He may go on IR, because he'll be cheap
3-One of the young guys may shine in TC, after all thats how Ivory made the team.

I doubt he gets traded because no one's gonna give up a pick for a RB that hasn't made it thru a single game without getting hurt.

FinSaint 07-03-2012 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by x626xBlack (Post 416006)
How about Ingram for a first or second round pick next season... Which we do not have.


I was under the impression that the Saints have their 1st round pick for next year's draft as it stands now, and they might even get their 2nd round pick back if they dance happily to Goodell's flute playing until then.

That might be why there have been claims by some (i.e. Vilma) that the Saints' coaches are afraid to take a stand on the matter of his suspension and the legality of it - hoping that they'd get back the 2nd rounder if they stay quiet.

RaginCajun83 07-03-2012 03:28 PM

I though I heard that if Goodell allows the 2nd round pick back it would cost the Saints their 3rd and 6th round pick, am I wrong?

Rugby Saint II 07-03-2012 03:35 PM

Ivory doesn't have trade value.....unfortunately.

Danno 07-03-2012 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by FinSaint (Post 416045)
I was under the impression that the Saints have their 1st round pick for next year's draft as it stands now, and they might even get their 2nd round pick back if they dance happily to Goodell's flute playing until then.

That might be why there have been claims by some (i.e. Vilma) that the Saints' coaches are afraid to take a stand on the matter of his suspension and the legality of it - hoping that they'd get back the 2nd rounder if they stay quiet.

Thats what I remember as well. I believe the suspension terminology actually read..."STFU and you might get your 2nd rounder back in 2013".



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Originally Posted by RaginCajun83 (Post 416047)
I though I heard that if Goodell allows the 2nd round pick back it would cost the Saints their 3rd and 6th round pick, am I wrong?

1st I've heard of this.

RaginCajun83 07-03-2012 04:06 PM

Found it

Saints could recoup 2013 2nd-rounder, but NFL could dock them other picks - CBSSports.com

"The Saints could get it back in terms of getting back a second-round draft choice," Wyche said," but it will come at the expense of some draft picks at the other end. … Let's say the Saints do not have a good season and they have a high second-round draft pick. The league could say, 'Okay, you can petition for that pick, we'll give it back to you, but it will come at the expense of a third and sixth-round pick.' "

voodooido 07-03-2012 04:14 PM

I would trade Ivroy. A beast when healthy but only has a year left. Ingram is young and has a small contract. If he is a bust so what, but give him a chance. I hate Alabama but he showed ALOT of talent there. 1 year removed is too early to jump ship.

FinSaint 07-03-2012 05:42 PM

I just can't believe that people are even suggesting that Ingram could be a bust after just one season, after having practically no offseason to prepare for it, and in a system which features multiple RBs.

He'll be a star, that much is clear to me when I watch the kid play, and if the Saints were to let him go - they'd curse that day in the near future.

SmashMouth 07-03-2012 06:16 PM

Put the pipe down, 656. Never gonna happen. LOL...

SaintPauly 07-03-2012 08:06 PM

Ingram is going nowhere..... that would be ridiculous.... JMO

ChrisXVI 07-03-2012 08:57 PM

Yeah, there's no chance of trading Ingram... even suggesting it is just not having a grasp on reality.

AlaskaSaints 07-03-2012 09:10 PM

I hope to FEED this back to you guys this season.

LOL

Alaska

mutineer10 07-04-2012 02:00 PM

Ivory is a situational player - with a very friendly cap number. Injuries aside, there's little harm in keeping him around ... like Lance Moore, Ivory can get it done when healthy.

As stated before, Sproles is our only RB who played all 16 regular-season games last season. While we have some talented RB's, we don't necessarily have some durable RB's. Might as well embrace the platoon mentality, and facilitate it ...

Halo 07-04-2012 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by mutineer10 (Post 416286)
Ivory is a situational player - ...

I TOTALLY AGREE!

He's mostly in this situation.....



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