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I've always thought the main reason we haven't been to the playoffs the last few years was because of our defense. I decided to look at ALL of the playoff team's defenses and see where they ranked in 3 important categories -- Total Defense - Scoring Defense -- Turnovers -- What I found was pretty much what I suspected. Of all the playoff teams, only 2 did not finish in the top 10 in one of the categories. Those teams were -- Seattle and Indianapolis. Indianapolis did almost make the top 10 in total defense, finishing 11th. So, for all intensive purposes, Seattle was the only middle of the road defense that made it to the playoffs. Here are all of the playoff teams from 2003:
Team/total/scoring/turnovers Dallas - 1st/ 2nd/22nd Carolina - 8th/ 10th/19th Seattle - 18th/15th/14th Green Bay - 16th/ 11th/10th Philly - 19th/ 7th/18th St. Louis - 15th/17th/1st New England - 7th/ 1st/3rd Tennessee - 12th/13th/8th Baltimore - 3rd/6th/2nd Indianapolis -11th/ 20th/13th Denver - 4th/9th/30th Kansas City - 29th/19th/4th Saints/17th/16th/17th One of the more interesting defenses was Kansas City. Their defense ranked 29th in the league in total defense. However, they were able to overcome that by creating the 4th most turnovers in the league. There are a lot of different ways to have a successful defense in the NFL and you had better be good at something. If you look at teams that were average at stopping the run or the pass, those teams were able to overcome that weakness by creating turnovers. I don't think they created those turnovers by accident either. I think it was the aggressive nature of their defense that created the turnovers. Which brings me to the Saints defense. Since Rick Venturi has been the defensive coordinator, I have never been a fan of the style of defense he plays. He just doesn't play aggressively enough for my liking. Maybe it's because he doesn't have the right people. But, I don't buy that. I think you have to play aggressively no matter who you have. I think being aggressive actually hides a defenses weaknesses more than it exposes them. I also think Venturi thinks just the opposite. I think he plays non-aggressively so not to leave his players exposed. Maybe he's right. But, the results just aren't there using his philosophy. I also think since Haslett and co. were hired, they set out to build a strong offense and put the defense last. As you can see by the list of the 2003 playoff teams, defenses are what gets a team to the playoffs. There is a bright side though. In the last couple of years, Haslett and co. have concentrated heavily on the defensive side of the ball. Our defense seems to be much more talented than it has been since.....well......the last time we made the playoffs, when our defense was ranked in the top 5. If our defense can return to one of the better defenses in the league, we could have a special team in New Orleans. Our offense has been kept in tact, and we've only added more weapons over the years. I don't know if this was their plan all along. I kinda doubt it was, but it might turn out to be for the best. We might have a team that will be tops in the league for years to come. [Edited on 15/5/2004 by GumboBC] [Edited on 15/5/2004 by GumboBC] |
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I don\'t think anyone can dispute the fact that our defense has cost us more games than any other single concern. It is almost factual that defense makes a champion. I gotta agree that Venturi\'s reactive style makes me cring constantly. He just simply let\'s an offense dictate on us. We definitely have the front 7 personnel to be agressive, and in doing so would likely make up some of the heat the secondary recieves anyways.
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I know our offense had it\'s problems last year, but when I hear ANYONE talk about the offense being the big problem, I just have to wonder what they\'re thinking.
What I\'m concerned about above all else this year is Rick Venturi. I know we had a lot of injuries last year and our defense did improve from the previous year. But, as lummOx noted, the style of defense he runs just makes you cringe. I think lummOx used the right phraise -- reactive style -- Offenses are so good today, you can\'t do that. You have got to disrupt things or you\'re going to get beat. I think our linebackers play more reactively than any other players on defense. I like linebackers that play the run on their way to the QB. Our linebackers just sit back there and wait on the running back. Very rarely did I see them playing aggressively. What\'s just as troubling to me was how our guys were so out of position. I think he\'s making our defense too complicated. IMO, he\'s making them think too much instead of just playing instictively. [Edited on 15/5/2004 by GumboBC] |
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Is this another sly post diversion to get people off of Aaron Brooks\' back? :P
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Here is another reason why we didn\'t make the play-0ffs and its wins. Its simple... score more points than your opponet and you win. A team can have the #1 Offense and win it all because they score more points, a team can have the number one Defense and win beccause they stop the other teams from scroing. It also helps that the football gods shine on you that year as well.
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Did you realize that: Dallas ranked 15th in offense Carolina ranked 16th in offense New England ranked 17th in offense Philadelphia ranked 18th in offense Do you see that the 2 super bowl teams were below average in offense and WAY above average in defense? [Edited on 15/5/2004 by GumboBC] |
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The most important stat on offense or defense is scoring! Funny how this works, but when your offense scores more than your defense allows your opponents offense to score you win almost every time.
Of all of the stats posted by Billy on last years playoff defenses it was interesting to see that the team that won the super bowl, New England, ranked number one in scoring defense. Also, only N.E. and Baltimore ranked in the top ten in all three catogories posted. If the Saints can field a defense this year that ranks in the top ten in scoring allowed we will be a team to be reckoned with. I am also hoping that we play a more attacking style of defense. Blitzing can lead to giving up big plays but it can also disturb the timing of the offensive play leading to turnovers. Putting pressure on the QB and reducing his amount of time to throw can make an average defensive backfield look good. The speed, youth and depth of our front seven should allow us to attack at all times. |
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This team has been good enough the last three years to win it all. They simply haven\'t gotten it done.
We swept Tampa Bay the year they won the Super Bowl, for goodness sakes. It\'s a matter of desire, and that\'s something I think they\'ll have this year. The desire to become champions. |
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This one is good ......... Hocus Pocus .......All teams have the same philosophy ........ First of all teams have a philosophy , either offensive or defensive . This is where they spend the higher draft picks , free agent acquisitions and the majority of their Cap Money .... Some teams go for the balanced theory , but players that excel at their positons usually lean the team in one direction or another .... So let\'s take this play off list and break it down . Offensive teams - Possessing the big three as some call them , quarterback , runningback and receiver all high paid .Or the Coach who leans towards putting points on the board . Green Bay Kansas City Seattle St.Louis Indianapolis Philadelphia Denver New Orleans Defensive teams - Lean towards stopping teams and spend on that side of the ball. Baltimore Carolina New England Tennessee Dallas Now let\'s look at the teams in a comparable projection . Offensive teams - total offense Green Bay - 5798 yds Kansas City - 5910 yds Seattle - 5626 yds St.Louis - 5457 yds Indianapolis - 5874 yds Philadelphia - 5035 yds Denver - 5598 yds New Orleans - 5438 yds Now a fascinating stat ..... Completion percentages for these same teams .... Green Bay - 65.4 Kansas City - 63.1 Seattle - 61.0 St.Louis - 63.2 Indianapolis - 67.0 Philadelphia - 57.5 Denver - 62.6 New Orleans - 59.1 Some may want to say look how our defense has underachieved , but considering the higher salaries counting against the cap , looks like someone else has too..... ;) |
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1. You make statements and you don\'t support them with facts!! Example: You say more money is invested in our offense than our defense. Are you sure about that? How many number 1 draft picks do we have on our offense? How many on our defense? Maybe you need to look at how much money Tebucky, Sullivan, and Howard makes. Maybe the offense does count against the cap more. I don\'t know the exact dollars and I don\'t think you do either......... I\'d be willing to bet it\'s awfully close in terms of dollars. Besides, that has nothing to do with what I\'m talking about. Those teams that are geared more towards offense simply have better defenses than us. You don\'t think so??? [Edited on 16/5/2004 by GumboBC] |
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Co-leaders in fumble recoveries that year: Grady Jackson and Charlie Clemmons with 3. Co-leader in interceptions that year: Sammie Knight with 5. What I\'m trying to say is: a) The only stat that counts is the scoring defense (and finally the W-L stat) and b) they did consciously made a decision to give up some turn-overs for better all around play. For Billy: On the one hand you say you want to see our defense attack non-stop, on the other you say the defense is already too complicated. Do you think 10 new blitz packages will lead to our linebackers being out of position less? The defense should be more aggressive (and with the new front 4 they will be), but not to the point where they overrun half the plays. |
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I think it\'s a well known fact that turnovers are one of the MOST IMPORTANT stats in football. Turnovers probably cost teams more games than anything else. IMO, where you went wrong in your analysis is you\'re looking at \"scoring defense\" ONLY and not taking into account this: When a defense creates a turnover, it gives the offense an opportunity to score. That can overcome some points they may have allowed. If they give up a TD and then they recover the ball deep inside the opponents territory, then it gives our offense a much better chance of scoring than having to drive the entire length of the field. Quote:
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Since some putz did not update the site we wll have to work with the 2002 salaries and add and subtract for the 2003 season . So the fairness of this will be , only contracts in affect for the 2003 season . Since Howard was franchised after the season ended he counts only as his total salary . So you get to add Tebucky and Sullivan and I get to add Gandy and Conwell . Shall we open that closed mind ????...... ;) 2002 / New Orleans Saints Player Base Salary Sign Bonus Other Bonus Total Salary Cap Value Position Allen, James $ 225,000 $ 481,000 $ 0 $ 706,000 $ 385,333 LB Bellamy, Jay $ 700,000 $ 0 $ 200,000 $ 900,000 $ 1,050,000 S Bentley, LeCharles $ 225,000 $ 1,550,000 $ 0 $ 1,775,000 $ 612,500 OL Brooks, Aaron $ 750,000 $ 5,000,000 $ 4,140 $ 5,754,140 $ 1,587,473 QB Brown, Fakhir $ 375,000 $ 0 $ 0 $ 352,941 $ 352,941 CB Carney, John $ 300,000 $ 475,000 $ 1,080 $ 776,080 $ 476,080 K Carroll, Travis $ 225,000 $ 6,000 $ 0 $ 231,000 $ 228,000 LB Carter, Dale $ 650,000 $ 3,000,000 $ 0 $ 3,305,882 $ 734,453 CB Chase, Martin $ 452,000 $ 123,000 $ 25,000 $ 600,000 $ 538,500 DT Clemons, Charlie $ 1,100,000 $ 0 $ 100,000 $ 1,200,000 $ 1,700,000 LB Cox, Bryan $ 750,000 $ 25,000 $ 720 $ 775,720 $ 475,720 LB Craver, Keyuo $ 225,000 $ 273,250 $ 0 $ 498,250 $ 316,083 CB Delhomme, Jake $ 563,000 $ 0 $ 4,050 $ 567,050 $ 567,050 QB Fenderson, James $ 300,000 $ 2,500 $ 450 $ 302,950 $ 301,700 RB Folau, Spencer $ 525,000 $ 200,000 $ 25,000 $ 750,000 $ 650,000 OL Fontenot, Jerry $ 1,450,000 $ 0 $ 50,000 $ 1,500,000 $ 2,143,250 OL Gleason, Steve $ 375,000 $ 0 $ 4,320 $ 379,320 $ 379,320 S Gowin, Toby $ 490,000 $ 35,000 $ 1,440 $ 526,440 $ 451,440 P Grant, Charles $ 255,000 $ 1,800,000 $ 300,000 $ 2,355,000 $ 855,000 DE Hall, Lamont $ 563,000 $ 0 $ 4,230 $ 567,230 $ 567,230 TE Hand, Norman $ 3,000,000 $ 0 $ 200,000 $ 3,200,000 $ 4,575,000 DT Hawthorne, Michael $ 375,000 $ 0 $ 4,140 $ 379,140 $ 395,806 CB Hodge, Sedrick $ 300,000 $ 0 $ 4,230 $ 304,230 $ 475,896 LB Holden, Curtis $ 300,000 $ 0 $ 4,320 $ 304,320 $ 304,320 LB Horn, Joe $ 1,700,000 $ 0 $ 300,000 $ 2,000,000 $ 3,212,500 WR Houser, Kevin $ 375,000 $ 75,000 $ 28,960 $ 478,960 $ 438,460 TE Howard, Darren $ 510,000 $ 0 $ 51,440 $ 561,440 $ 847,440 DE Irvin, Ken $ 450,000 $ 200,000 $ 720 $ 650,720 $ 450,720 CB Jackson, Grady $ 525,000 $ 750,000 $ 2,520 $ 1,277,520 $ 902,520 DT Jacox, Kendyl $ 525,000 $ 325,000 $ 720 $ 850,720 $ 590,720 OL Jones, JJ $ 225,000 $ 0 $ 0 $ 185,294 $ 185,294 LB Keaton, Curtis $ 375,000 $ 300,000 $ 0 $ 675,000 $ 375,000 RB Knight, Roger $ 225,000 $ 0 $ 4,320 $ 229,320 $ 229,320 LB Lewis, Derrick $ 225,000 $ 0 $ 0 $ 26,471 $ 26,471 WR Lewis, Michael $ 300,000 $ 0 $ 23,960 $ 323,960 $ 323,960 WR McAfee, Fred $ 750,000 $ 0 $ 3,420 $ 753,420 $ 453,420 RB McAllister, Deuce $ 320,000 $ 0 $ 50,000 $ 370,000 $ 1,030,000 RB Miller, Bubba $ 525,000 $ 0 $ 0 $ 216,176 $ 185,294 OL Mitchell, Mel $ 225,000 $ 115,500 $ 0 $ 340,500 $ 263,500 S O\'Sullivan, JT $ 225,000 $ 68,000 $ 0 $ 293,000 $ 247,666 QB Pathon, Jerome $ 525,000 $ 1,000,000 $ 2,070 $ 1,527,070 $ 777,070 WR Reed, Jake $ 300,000 $ 625,000 $ 1,350 $ 926,350 $ 926,350 WR Riley, Victor $ 525,000 $ 100,000 $ 0 $ 594,118 $ 677,451 OL Sanderson, Scott $ 525,000 $ 25,000 $ 0 $ 550,000 $ 475,000 OL Sloan, David $ 650,000 $ 1,200,000 $ 3,060 $ 1,853,060 $ 953,060 TE Smith, Darrin $ 1,200,000 $ 0 $ 4,230 $ 1,204,230 $ 1,616,730 LB Smith, Kenny $ 300,000 $ 0 $ 4,320 $ 304,320 $ 458,486 DT Smith, Terrelle $ 375,000 $ 0 $ 4,140 $ 379,140 $ 480,806 RB Stallworth, Donte\' $ 325,000 $ 2,900,000 $ 400,000 $ 3,625,000 $ 1,208,333 WR Thomas, Fred $ 750,000 $ 0 $ 200,000 $ 950,000 $ 1,250,000 CB Turley, Kyle $ 1,224,000 $ 0 $ 1,186,147 $ 2,410,147 $ 3,370,147 OL Whitehead, Willie $ 563,000 $ 0 $ 3,600 $ 566,600 $ 566,600 DE Williams, Boo $ 300,000 $ 0 $ 4,320 $ 304,320 $ 304,320 TE Williams, Wally $ 750,000 $ 1,250,000 $ 2,790 $ 1,826,319 $ 3,200,651 OL [Edited on 16/5/2004 by saintz08] |
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I found those numbers last night. I couldn\'t find any for 2003 either. You think I\'m going to add those numbers up?? NOT!! :P You made the statement, 08, you add \'em up and prove your point. ;) The only thing I was saying to begin was the OBVIOUS. Which is: Our defense is really hurting this teams chances of making the playoffs. We weren\'t good in any of the 3-most important catorgories for a defense(total defense, points allowed, turnovers) I think the stats for ALL of the playoff teams shows that a good defense beats a good offense. Not always, but more times than not. I don\'t know what you\'re trying to prove. Well............yeah I do. You\'re trying to pin our problems on Brooks (no surprise there!) Do you want me to beleive if Brooks completion percentage were a few points higher that we would be super bowl bound?? Go add up them salary cap numbers for the offense and defense and let me know how it comes out.... :P [Edited on 16/5/2004 by GumboBC] |
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$ 21,761,747.00 The offensive payout was : $ 31,199,601.00 That is a 10 million dollar difference .... ;) Now while the defensive standings are in the same range as the following teams according to you .... Seattle - 18th/15th/14th Green Bay - 16th/ 11th/10th Philly - 19th/ 7th/18th St. Louis - 15th/17th/1st Kansas City - 29th/19th/4th Saints/17th/16th/17th Could the Saints defense at that point have gotten the Saints into the play offs ?? 5 of the 12 teams had defenses comparable to the Saints . Could the Saints have done it with a low percentage completion ?? Only 1 of 12 teams did ..... ;) Green Bay - 65.4 Kansas City - 63.1 Seattle - 61.0 St.Louis - 63.2 Philadelphia - 57.5 New Orleans - 59.1 Quote:
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Ok, 08. You have me convinced. Brooks needs to raise his completion percentage in order for us to make the playoffs. ;)
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Green Bay - 65.4 Kansas City - 63.1 Seattle - 61.0 St.Louis - 63.2 Philadelphia - 57.5 New Orleans - 59.1 Dropped Passes Green Bay - 19 Kansas City - 40 Seattle - 41 St.Louis - 19 Philadelphia - 31 New Orleans - 26 Amazing , 3 of those 6 teams had more dropped passes the the Saints and still made the play offs ... :o [Edited on 16/5/2004 by saintz08] |
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I don\'t know how anyone could classify a dropped pass. Does the ball have to touch one hand or two? Or, does the ball just have to be close to \'em? Seems confusing at best to me. Anyway, my boy Brooks is going to be in top form this year. Records are gonna fall. Critics will be silenced. Statues will be bulit outside the super dome. -- :P |
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Didn\'t you make one of these bold predictions last year and have a healthy helping of crow ????..... :P |
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Eat crow last year?? What you talking \'bout? I just joined this site: Posts: 111 Registered: 5/5/2004 Status: :P :P :P :P |
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I\'d just like to make sure everyone knows exactly who they\'re debating with in this thread:
BillyC: \"no_cloning - I think it\'s a well known fact that turnovers are one of the MOST IMPORTANT stats in football. Turnovers probably cost teams more games than anything else. \" - Listed above in this thread But go just a few months back... http://www.blackandgold.net/site/mod...e=3&orderdate= WhoDat: \"Billy, dropped passes, penalties, missed blocks, etc. happen all the time and they\'re not drive stoppers. That\'s like me saying that Brooks has 300 incompletions this season so obviously he\'s stopped more drives than the rest of the team combined. No, a dropped pass or a penalty is NOT a drive stopper unless it happens at a specific time. A couple of weeks back, Horn dropped a pass and Brooks went back to him the next play. We scored on that drive. Gardner\'s two drops on third down plays stop drives. Is that simple enough for you to understand Billy? You see, when Brooks fumbles the ball and the other team recovers, the drive is over. A holding penalty on first and ten hurts, but doesn\'t necessarily end it. A holding call on 3rd and 8, or a dropped pass, well, those both pretty much end the drive.\" Billy\'s response: \"-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Billy, dropped passes, penalties, missed blocks, etc. happen all the time and they\'re not drive stoppers. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Man this is like taking candy from a baby. So you\'re trying to tell me if we are faced with 1st and 20 because of a holding penalty that this isn\'t a drive killer? I suppose if we make 20-yards you would be correct. Hell, how \'bout first and 30? You make me laugh !! Actually I\'m sad -- For you -- I thought you understood the game of football better WhoDat. I was wrong again. \" Billy again: \"quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Billy, dropped passes, penalties, missed blocks, etc. happen all the time and they\'re not drive stoppers. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You can post till ya blue in the face and drink all the WhoTang ya want to, but you are wrong about the above statement. Feel free to step up to the plate WhoDat. C\'mon just admit you are wrong. We\'ve all been wrong and it will make you sound much more crediable...........\" Lumm0x tries to help out: \"If WhoDat stood in front of Bill Parcells and asked him if there is one thing that he could eliminate from his team\'s play, I can almost guarantee it would be turnovers. WhoDat is trying to tell you that turnovers are more costly than penalties, dropped passes and missed blocks. Both can have the same effect, given the situation, but apples to apples, turnovers are singularly a bigger problem. \" Saintfan wades in: \"The fact remains lummox that the quote whodat made regarding penalties etc would NOT fly sir.\" Billy again: \"LummOx -- I think you are fair with your posts but not this one. The fact is that penalties DO kill drives. Your attempt to say that the only things that kill drives are turnovers is RIDICULOS. If you want to get technical, I could say that turnovers don\'t kill drives. What if we fumbled the ball and the very next play the opponent fumbled the ball? We get the ball right back at the same spot and we\'re good to go. Sound ridiculos? Yeah, it does. Just like the argument you are trying to put up.....\" Even Gator tries: \"But on this topic, I see turnovers the most definite cause of halting drives, so I agree with Whodat. I never agree with guys because I\'m friends with them, I agree with them because its what I think and I have never claimed to know more or less than anybody here nor any coach in the NFL. \" You see folks, this is what I\'m talking about when I say seeing the big picture - having an idea of what happens over time. I find it interesting that turnovers were not a problem when AB had fumble fingers last season to some on this board, but then in trying to make the defense out to be the culprit (which they have otherwise argued got better), they use turnovers \"THE MOST IMPORTANT\" cause of a win versus a loss. Is this inflamitory? Maybe - but I just couldn\'t help bringing this up. I argued for over a week about turnovers hurting us and now the same people who argued against me are talking about how costly turnovers are. So now how do Brooks\' 23 turnovers stack up? Just wondering. ;) |
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You say that penalties aren\'t drive stoppers. I don\'t think you can get ONE person to agree with you on that. NOT ONE!! If we have to punt the ball because of a penalty, then it\'s a drive stopper. Anyway, I read all of that, and I know turnovers are worse than penalites MOST of the time. There are cases when they are NOT!! What\'s your point? |
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My point is that last year, when we were arguing about Aaron Brooks (who\'d a thunk it?) I was talking about how much his turnovers hurt us. YOU said that turnovers did not hurt as much as missed blocks, dropped passes, etc.
My point is and has always been a simple one Billy. You said it yourself earlier - turnovers are amongst the most costly and important determining factor of a football game. Penalties are analog - they are varying in their impact and importance. Turnovers are digital - they always hurt the same amount. A penalty MAY result in a stalled drive or it MAY NOT and the drive may continue. A turnover ALWAYS results in a drive ending. That was my point then and I stand firm behind that idea now. As it relates to the topic at hand, I find it very interesting that last year when I was \"bashing\" Brooks for all the fumbles you downplayed the importance of turnovers and said that they don\'t hurt anymore than a dropped pass or missed block. However, today, as you talk about defenses and team success, you indicate that turnovers are the most important factor in wins vs losses. Do you not see the hypocracy there? |
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What I said was that penalties were killing drives. AND THEY WERE. Penalties can kill drives and LOSE games. Fact is I DIDN\'T say turnovers did not hurt as much as penalties. It was you who said PENALTIES aren\'t drive killers. We all have our beliefs, WhoDat. You just happen to believe penalties don\'t kill drives. Who am I to try and get ya to changer ya mind?? :P There\'s no hypocrisy here WhoDat. I know Brooks fumbles hurt us last year. How could they not. However, I can see that there were problems other than Brooks fumbling that cost us games. It\'s called looking a the BIG picture. |
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You are correct - you said that turnovers were equal to a penalties in harm done to a team. You tried to argue that 3rd and 30 was the same as a turnover.
Point being Billy - your tune\'s a-changin\'. But that\'s nothing new. ;) Go ahead on and tell me more about how turnovers hurt teams I can\'t wait to hear more. |
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On the other hand, you did say penalties weren\'t drive killers!! Have you changed your mind yet??..LOL........... :P [Edited on 17/5/2004 by GumboBC] |
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Oh man. Brooks holding onto the ball too long has killed me from the very beginning. You\'re right to mention that. But you\'re focusing too much on the negative. The guy can be flat out amazing.
The best throw I ever saw him make was an incomplete pass to Keith Poole. It was in St Louis, 3rd and 11 or so from inside our own twenty. I thought to myself \"Here we go, draw, punt, and so it goes\" But no, Brooks throws a strike, dropping, dropping the ball right into Poole\'s chest on the sidelines at the sticks, and Poole let the ball fall through his arms. It was a clutch throw in a tough situation delivered with accuracy I\'d never seen from a New Orleans quarterback. He has greatness in him. He is who will bring us a Lombardi trophy. Hate him if you want, but you\'ll love him in the end. This is the year he gets it right. You can say what he can\'t do all you like. Never underestimate the human will to make the word \"can\'t\" invalid. It\'s what makes humanity great, \"I can\". |
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