Saints need to make a move on Andre Carter before the Patriots

FinSaint · 07-24-2012, 12:37 PM

Originally Posted by x626xBlack

Every player know that each spot is earned that year.... Warm bodies are brought in every year to motivate performance... They know they have to earn their seat at the table.

Remember the Beer Truck guy.. Micheal Lewis? Its common practice.
Those who don't want to meet the terms of preform to get a spot can refuse the offer.

No Body's that became somebody's.

Micheal Lewis
Kurt Warner
John Randel
Rod Smith
Priest Holmes
James Harrison
Antonio Gates
Wes Welker
Jeff Saturday

ALL un-drafted.. ALL unknowns.... that someone brought into camp to see what they could do.

While fine examples of guys who made it against the odds, those guys really aren't valid comparables to the situation Carter is in right now. Like I said before, I'm not against bringing in a big ticket impact player at this point in the offseason or some young guys looking to prove themselves worthy of a roster spot - but I'm against bringing in a vet who had a horrendous injury late last season and who, while being really effective, played in a 3-4 scheme next to Vince Wilfork.

My issue is not with bringing in guys to take a look at, but it's with bringing in Carter and, IMO, wasting money on him. Naturally I could be dead wrong about him, but I just don't see him as a risk worthwhile taking.

TheOak · 07-24-2012, 01:37 PM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

While fine examples of guys who made it against the odds, those guys really aren't valid comparables to the situation Carter is in right now. Like I said before, I'm not against bringing in a big ticket impact player at this point in the offseason or some young guys looking to prove themselves worthy of a roster spot - but I'm against bringing in a vet who had a horrendous injury late last season and who, while being really effective, played in a 3-4 scheme next to Vince Wilfork.

My issue is not with bringing in guys to take a look at, but it's with bringing in Carter and, IMO, wasting money on him. Naturally I could be dead wrong about him, but I just don't see him as a risk worthwhile taking.

Horrendous injury... Like ... ummm Drew Brees? How are you wasting money.... if he doesn't preform.. you CUT HIM.

burningmetal · 07-24-2012, 02:00 PM

Originally Posted by x626xBlack

Horrendous injury... Like ... ummm Drew Brees? How are you wasting money.... if he doesn't preform.. you CUT HIM.

Your comparisons aren't making a lot of sense to me. The players you named above were not coming off injury, nor were they in their 30's. And Drew Brees' injury was completely different. It wasn't good, but it wasn't the same as blowing out a knee. The only reason teams hesitated on signing Drew is because they didn't know for sure if he'd heal enough to warrant the money he was asking for. But Drew was still young. Carter is not. The guy has been a bust for all but one year, which was last year.

He was purely a system player. Aside from the 10 sacks he wasn't a consistent force. I'd rather a guy who plays every down and consistently pushes the pocket, then to have a guy who comes in on 3rd down. Martez Wilson is perfectly suited for that role right now, as is Gallette. Carter will not be effective for whomever he signs with, in my opinion.

07-24-2012, 12:37 PM	#1
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,964	Originally Posted by x626xBlack Every player know that each spot is earned that year.... Warm bodies are brought in every year to motivate performance... They know they have to earn their seat at the table. Remember the Beer Truck guy.. Micheal Lewis? Its common practice. Those who don't want to meet the terms of preform to get a spot can refuse the offer. No Body's that became somebody's. Micheal Lewis Kurt Warner John Randel Rod Smith Priest Holmes James Harrison Antonio Gates Wes Welker Jeff Saturday ALL un-drafted.. ALL unknowns.... that someone brought into camp to see what they could do. While fine examples of guys who made it against the odds, those guys really aren't valid comparables to the situation Carter is in right now. Like I said before, I'm not against bringing in a big ticket impact player at this point in the offseason or some young guys looking to prove themselves worthy of a roster spot - but I'm against bringing in a vet who had a horrendous injury late last season and who, while being really effective, played in a 3-4 scheme next to Vince Wilfork. My issue is not with bringing in guys to take a look at, but it's with bringing in Carter and, IMO, wasting money on him. Naturally I could be dead wrong about him, but I just don't see him as a risk worthwhile taking.
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07-24-2012, 01:37 PM	#2
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,055	Originally Posted by FinSaint While fine examples of guys who made it against the odds, those guys really aren't valid comparables to the situation Carter is in right now. Like I said before, I'm not against bringing in a big ticket impact player at this point in the offseason or some young guys looking to prove themselves worthy of a roster spot - but I'm against bringing in a vet who had a horrendous injury late last season and who, while being really effective, played in a 3-4 scheme next to Vince Wilfork. My issue is not with bringing in guys to take a look at, but it's with bringing in Carter and, IMO, wasting money on him. Naturally I could be dead wrong about him, but I just don't see him as a risk worthwhile taking. Horrendous injury... Like ... ummm Drew Brees? How are you wasting money.... if he doesn't preform.. you CUT HIM.

07-24-2012, 02:00 PM	#3
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Originally Posted by x626xBlack Horrendous injury... Like ... ummm Drew Brees? How are you wasting money.... if he doesn't preform.. you CUT HIM. Your comparisons aren't making a lot of sense to me. The players you named above were not coming off injury, nor were they in their 30's. And Drew Brees' injury was completely different. It wasn't good, but it wasn't the same as blowing out a knee. The only reason teams hesitated on signing Drew is because they didn't know for sure if he'd heal enough to warrant the money he was asking for. But Drew was still young. Carter is not. The guy has been a bust for all but one year, which was last year. He was purely a system player. Aside from the 10 sacks he wasn't a consistent force. I'd rather a guy who plays every down and consistently pushes the pocket, then to have a guy who comes in on 3rd down. Martez Wilson is perfectly suited for that role right now, as is Gallette. Carter will not be effective for whomever he signs with, in my opinion.
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