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SmashMouth 08-10-2012 08:42 AM

New Orleans Saints linebacker Curtis Lofton dims fears over loss of his suspended predecessor
 
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No doubt the New Orleans Saints and their fans would like the film of the painful exhibition passed off as professional football Thursday night to be canned, sealed and consigned to some dusty archive, never to be seen again.

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But at least a few frames of the digital record of the Patriots 7-6 defeat of New Orleans may reverberate beyond Gillette Stadium. Indeed, the game's dull ripples could wash up in federal district court in New Orleans, where a hearing is slated for Friday that suddenly carries less interest to Saints fans than it might have two weeks - or even two days - ago.

That's because the Saints signed middle linebacker Curtis Lofton in the offseason, and Lofton's play early has been at a level that makes the possible loss of middle linebacker and defensive captain Jonathan Vilma a lot more palatable to those whose chief concern is whether the Saints win or lose. What Lofton has done on the field, in other words, now overshadows what Vilma is doing in the courtroom.

This is not to knock Vilma, who has been an important contributor to the Saints football and locker room and who remains one of the better acquisitions of General Manager Mickey Loomis' New Orleans tenure. Still, while Saints coaches and players voice concrete commitment to Vilma's essence it's hard to shake the feeling the same attitude toward's Vilma's presence softens each day. "There's always a spot for Jonathan Vilma," as linebackers and interim head coach Joe Vitt put it this week in Boston, but even if Vilma magically waved away his legal and medical limbo, with Lofton healthy just where would that spot be?

Lofton was the best defensive player on the field Thursday night. On the first four Patriots plays that resulted in tackles, Lofton made or assisted on every one of them. He ranged to his right fluidly and with speed and crushed former LSU back Stevan Ridley then, the next play, helped bring down tight end Aaron Hernandez just short of a first down.
Lofton even had an impact on plays where he's a phantom on the stat sheet. After a special teams penalty nullified a New England punt and gave the Patriots another possession, Lofton used his left shoulder to level Rob Gronkowski, the 6-foo-6, 265-pound Patriot who is paired with Jimmy Graham in discussions of the game's best young tight ends. Two other Saints defenders were credited with the tackle, but it was Lofton who delivered the play's coup de grace.

All told, Lofton was credited with two solo stops and four assists to go along with a fumble recovery. That came when Lofton ranged eight yards deep in the Patriots backfield and picked up the ball jarred loose when defensive end Will Smith sacked quarterback Tom Brady.

Five days earlier in Canton, Lofton had three tackles, one of them for a loss. This is a sort of complete and dynamic linebacking the Saints haven't seen since, say, Vilma was 100 percent. "He's just lighting people up," one Saints staffer said admiringly Thursday night as the players filed into the post-game locker room.

Right now, Lofton is looking like one of the NFL's best free agent pickups in 2012. He has comfortably filled the leadership mantle left in a heap by Vilma's absence, and he is giving the lie to what he always felt was a smear anyway: the notion floated during his free agency that somehow he wasn't a "three-down" linebacker.

Linebacker Scott Shanle has played alongside Vilma and Lofton, in addition to watching Lofton for four years as a divisional rival with the Falcons. A chip on the shoulder is a good thing to have in football, Shanle noted, and certainly the chip installed when a team deserts a defensive mainstay, as Atlanta seemed to do with Lofton, is a weighty one.

"I felt like ever since I've been in the league there's been people who said I couldn't cut, that I wasn't fast enough, that I'm too small to play," Lofton said. "Well, I just took that as something to motivate me, fuel to my fire. And so when I step on the field I feel like I've got to prove something every single time. I always want to prove those people wrong and play the best I can for my team."

Lofton has been around the NFL long enough to know it's not cool to stake a claim on a prized and popular teammate's job. On the other hand, he's a competitive professional who wants to play and prove something. He didn't refer to Vilma by name Thursday, but he's never evinced any interest in being an understudy, either.

"I think it just fell upon me naturally," Lofton said when asked about stepping into the starring role previously played by Vilma. "I'm not a rah-rah guy, I do everything. I put my head down and I go to work and I lead by example. You know, the guys really bought into that. In this system, the middle linebacker he's kind of the coach on the field so the guys know I've got a lot on my plate and they back me and support me."

And thus it becomes clearer with each passing day Vilma is fighting perhaps not just for his 2012 season in federal courts but for his professional football career. Should Vilma win his case, there is a strong chance he would begin this campaign on the physically unable to perform list, another sort of absence that would make the new guy in the middle of a new system installed by a new defensive coordinator look more and more like The Man.

"Each day's been a growing day for me and I've put a lot on my plate," Lofton said. "I love this defense, Coach Spags, and we've got great players."

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TheOak 08-10-2012 08:53 AM

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There is an underlying theme in this statement.
"I felt like ever since I've been in the league there's been people who said I couldn't cut, that I wasn't fast enough, that I'm too small to play," Lofton said. "Well, I just took that as something to motivate me, fuel to my fire. And so when I step on the field I feel like I've got to prove something every single time. I always want to prove those people wrong and play the best I can for my team."


Think Brees and what drives him.

SmashMouth 08-10-2012 09:08 AM

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Lofton looks like the real deal...

halloween 65 08-10-2012 10:01 AM

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I think Lofton is what we have been needing in the middle for a while now, solid,with his nose to the grind stone. If Vilma returns he should be a decent back-up if he heals up. I really like our 3 starters.

|Mitch| 08-10-2012 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by halloween 65 (Post 426134)
I think Lofton is what we have been needing in the middle for a while now, solid,with his nose to the grind stone. If Vilma returns he should be a decent back-up if he heals up. I really like our 3 starters.

If Vilma comes back he can replace Shanle... Vilma, Lofton, Hawthorne would be formidable for any offense...

Luda34 08-10-2012 12:22 PM

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I love Vilma but if he Lofton keeps playing the way his playing. He won't be playing for the Saints anytime soon.

Brandon428 08-10-2012 12:53 PM

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Lofton is our MLB now theres no way Vilma can beat him for that spot. Lofton is every bit as good as I hoped he would be. The guy is a beast! Chamberlain has also been impressing me. Morgan and Tanner are getting me pretty excited also! I really love how well Tanner runs his routes. Never ceases to amaze me how the Saints can find these diamonds in the rough.

SapperSaint 08-10-2012 02:19 PM

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If Vilma comes back...

Shanle rides the pine

AlaskaSaints 08-10-2012 03:04 PM

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Shanle needs a plane ticket back to Nebraska.

If that happens to be made of pine... So be it... but...

Alaska

Rugby Saint II 08-10-2012 03:41 PM

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Curtis isn't the field General yet.

blackangold 08-10-2012 03:53 PM

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Shanle shouldn't start regardless of the Vilma situation. Has the guy even had a tackle in the Preseason?

Casillas and Chamberlain both look outstanding thus far.

Utah_Saint 08-10-2012 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by blackangold (Post 426369)
Shanle shouldn't start regardless of the Vilma situation. Has the guy even had a tackle in the Preseason?

Casillas and Chamberlain both look outstanding thus far.

Yes, Shanle was credited with 1 solo tackle against the Cardinals. No stats against the Patriots

Casilias is credited with 7 tackles, 3 solo against the Patriots and 1 solo tackle against the Cardinals

Chamberlin is credited with 3 tackles, 1 solo against the Patriots. No stats against the Cardinals

Mardigras9 08-10-2012 04:24 PM

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Lofton is a great addition, right where we needed it.

Boutte 08-10-2012 05:56 PM

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If Shanle continues to start under his third OC we all need to just up about him and accept that we don't know what we're talking about.

halloween 65 08-10-2012 08:49 PM

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I really haven't seen any lb. able to beat Shanle out of his starting position and it's been how many years now. I don't see it this year either. Lofton is the man in the middle for a long time even if Vilma comes back. I like what we have now, not what we had.

Halo 08-10-2012 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by AlaskaSaints (Post 426344)
Shanle needs a plane ticket back to Nebraska.

If that happens to be made of pine... So be it... but...

Alaska

WOW

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QBREES9 08-10-2012 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by halloween 65 (Post 426534)
I really haven't seen any lb. able to beat Shanle out of his starting position and it's been how many years now. I don't see it this year either. Lofton is the man in the middle for a long time even if Vilma comes back. I like what we have now, not what we had.

What do they see in Shanle. Please someone tell me.

Utah_Saint 08-10-2012 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by QBREES9 (Post 426645)
What do they see in Shanle. Please someone tell me.

He's smart and he has good technique. He's usually in the right position. When the play comes to him, he has a pretty good tackling percentage. He's also supposed to be a great "team" guy. He does what ever he's asked and is always supportive to his team mates and the team.

His down side, which we all see all the time, is that he's not fast enough to chase down a play and not good in coverage. He's not quick enough getting off a block. And he's undersized so many linemen simply overpower him.

The Dude 08-11-2012 12:27 AM

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Lofton sucks and can't play 3rd down.

|Mitch| 08-11-2012 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 426687)
Lofton sucks and can't play 3rd down.

Have you turned yourself into a Falcon hater?

The Dude 08-11-2012 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by |Mitch| (Post 426696)
Have you turned yourself into a Falcon hater?

It was a joke. Thats all I hear from Falcons fans since we got Lofton.

|Mitch| 08-11-2012 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 426697)
It was a joke. Thats all I hear from Falcons fans since we got Lofton.

Eh; it's late and I'm tired... :bng:

Rugby Saint II 08-11-2012 01:33 AM

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Ity will take time for Vilma to get on the field after he is reinstated. He needs rehab desperately and we would benefit from him more later in the season.

The Dude 08-11-2012 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 426708)
Ity will take time for Vilma to get on the field after he is reinstated. He needs rehab desperately and we would benefit from him more later in the season.

With the hit we would take on salary cap and the fact that he is not 100% do you think we might even let him go?

blackangold 08-11-2012 03:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Utah_Saint (Post 426683)
He's smart and he has good technique. He's usually in the right position. When the play comes to him, he has a pretty good tackling percentage. He's also supposed to be a great "team" guy. He does what ever he's asked and is always supportive to his team mates and the team.

His down side, which we all see all the time, is that he's not fast enough to chase down a play and not good in coverage. He's not quick enough getting off a block. And he's undersized so many linemen simply overpower him.

I am not going to go into this to much because it's late but...
This was in a thread I made weeks ago.

"Position: Outside Linebacker

The Players: Scott Shanle and Chris Chamberlain

The Battle: It’s fair to say that Gregg Williams’ defensive schemes have never really helped out his linebackers. In addition to whatever bounty-related mess he has got them into, his hyper-aggressive calls always led to linebackers being asked to do things they never had a prayer of successfully achieving. That being said, I’m not sure Scott Shanle would have come out of the past few seasons in any scheme looking good. His -14.0 grade from 2011 represented the fourth consecutive time he scored in negative double-digits for the season. Furthermore, he managed just a single sack and eight pressures despite being sent on the blitz a massive 198 times by Williams last year.

The Saints went on a major linebacker shopping spree this offseason, bringing in three of them during free agency. Curtis Lofton and David Hawthorne figure to slot straight in as starters, but the third, Chris Chamberlain has a battle on his hands to topple Shanle from his spot on the depth chart. In truth, Chamberlain looks made for the two-down role in that defense. He scored well (+4.7) last season against the run, but struggled in coverage the 34 times he was targetted. Lofton and Hawthorne are both capable of playing on all three downs, so Chamberlain would be a logical upgrade against the run who would be pulled from the field when the Saints go to nickel packages.

The Verdict: For some reason the Saints don’t seem to be willing or able to sit Shanle down. Maybe he’s a great team guy, and a fantastic presence in practice and meeting rooms, but he just doesn’t play well enough to keep his job. Chamberlain earned a spot with his play last season and if this comes down to merit on the field and nothing else, the job should be his to lose."

Training Camp Battles: NFC South | ProFootballFocus.com


Shanle should not be starting for any team based on every scouting analysis I have seen. He does nothing well, gets blocked out of most plays and is to slow to make tackles in the backfield. Shanle is a liability on the field 'team guy or not'.

TheOak 08-11-2012 06:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 426365)
Curtis isn't the field General yet.

He is what happens after the field Commander is shot in the head.

Instant field promotion to the next guy capable of doing the job.

Kosoma 08-11-2012 11:34 AM

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with as much as vilma has meant to the team his productivity has dropped each of the last three years. we needed to bring a little youth to the linebackers. while were at it we need to add a decent pass rusher on the line too. i like smith as much as anyone but rarely does he pressure the qb.

Utah_Saint 08-11-2012 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by blackangold (Post 426721)

Shanle should not be starting for any team based on every scouting analysis I have seen. He does nothing well, gets blocked out of most plays and is to slow to make tackles in the backfield. Shanle is a liability on the field 'team guy or not'.

This is the first year in a long time that the Saints have put an effort into improving their Linebackers. And even after acquiring 3 linebackers through free agency there is still a chance that Shanle will be the starter.

Go figure.

The Dude 08-11-2012 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Utah_Saint (Post 426811)
This is the first year in a long time that the Saints have put an effort into improving their Linebackers. And even after acquiring 3 linebackers through free agency there is still a chance that Shanle will be the starter.

Go figure.

It was a good sign that Shanle was playing with the 2nd and 3rd team. If he's not cut hopefully he will get a demotion

Utah_Saint 08-11-2012 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 426827)
It was a good sign that Shanle was playing with the 2nd and 3rd team. If he's not cut hopefully he will get a demotion

I may be in the minority but I hope Shanle does not get cut from the team. I do hope the Saints can get a linebacker that can push him out of the starting spot, and therefore the majority of defensive snaps, but I believe he'd be one of the better back ups in the league.

blackangold 08-11-2012 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Utah_Saint (Post 426832)
I may be in the minority but I hope Shanle does not get cut from the team. I do hope the Saints can get a linebacker that can push him out of the starting spot, and therefore the majority of defensive snaps, but I believe he'd be one of the better back ups in the league.

I agree, we dont need to cut Shanle. I think he has a lot of good football knowledge that can be passed on to the younger guys. With his age he is no longer able to make an impact on the field and its been this way for years.

Danno 08-11-2012 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by blackangold (Post 426845)
I agree, we dont need to cut Shanle.

No player shold be cut until someone earns his spot.

The only reason Shanle is still a Saint is because we've failed to bring in anyone better.

Until that happens I'm all for keeping him on the roster.

On the other hand, since no one has been able to beat him out it appears our front office and scouting department doesn't know jack squat about NFL linebackers.

The Dude 08-11-2012 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 426862)
No player shold be cut until someone earns his spot.

The only reason Shanle is still a Saint is because we've failed to bring in anyone better.

Until that happens I'm all for keeping him on the roster.

On the other hand, since no one has been able to beat him out it appears our front office and scouting department doesn't know jack squat about NFL linebackers.

He knows our system. If he does get beat out then he will be a servicable backup at the very least. Even if Shanle remains a starter we have beefed up our LB corps enough to where we will still be better than last year.

blackangold 08-11-2012 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 426862)
No player shold be cut until someone earns his spot.

The only reason Shanle is still a Saint is because we've failed to bring in anyone better.

Until that happens I'm all for keeping him on the roster.

On the other hand, since no one has been able to beat him out it appears our front office and scouting department doesn't know jack squat about NFL linebackers.

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Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 426870)
He knows our system. If he does get beat out then he will be a servicable backup at the very least. Even if Shanle remains a starter we have beefed up our LB corps enough to where we will still be better than last year.



However if Chamberlain does not beat him for the spot then something is going on behind the scene with Shanle. Chamberlain rates out better than Shanle in every aspect of the game (if you compare last years PFF scouting reports). Chamberlain started for Spags and knows the system better than anyone on the team right now.

If you remember correctly Shanle got beat out for his starting position in 2010 during the Preseason, however Casialls injured himself in the last game.

Rugby Saint II 08-12-2012 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by x626xBlack (Post 426728)
He is what happens after the field Commander is shot in the head.

Instant field promotion to the next guy capable of doing the job.

Friendly fire= promotion. :cool:

homerj07 08-12-2012 07:41 PM

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Just like the D as a whole. I am cautiously optimistic


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