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I do recall that now... Too bad the judge isnt a member of B&G.com

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From Saintsreport:

On April 23rd--a month later--in an interview with Rich Eisen on the NFLN, Goodell said this about player sanctions:

Quote:
I hope to reach those decisions very soon. We have been continuing our work. We have continued to talk to players and other people that can give us a perspective. Once we have got all the information and we feel that we are in a position to be able to issue the fairest and most thorough types of decisions, we will do that but I expect to do that soon because this is a big element to me ...

I am not necessarily looking for [the NFLPA's] recommendation on discipline. I am looking for their recommendation on what we do to continue to make our game safer and to get this type of activity out of the game and get back to the point where we have respect for each other and the game itself.

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That's had me confused for a while now. Thanks for the explanation x626x

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We're not in discovery phase yet. That starts when the court accepts the case. They're still in hearings about whether to allow a court ordered injunction should be awarded to allow Vilma to play, and eventually whether the court accepts the case.

In this hearing phase you probably would not want to force a witness (Goodell or Gregg Williams) to go to court unless he or she has already agreed to testify. You want people to testify who support your position.

Dragging someone into court who doesn’t want to be there on your behalf could set the persons testimony against you. A hostile witness in a hearing like this can cause a lot of confusion and raise a lot of issues that muddy the original purpose of the hearing.

Hostile cross examination needs to be reserved for the actual court proceedings. In hearings, plaintiffs usually seek evidence needed from another source before getting a subpoena for a reluctant witness.

Remember, the "hearing" is not a trial. It's a time to make arguments on the merits of the case so the court will accept the case, and specifically on requests the plaintiff is making (in this case- injunction relief so Vilma can play until all the B.S. is proven to be a farce.)

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In retrospect the players should have appeared at the hearing. But I can understand the frustration of the players knowing it would do no good........Vilmas attorney should have made him attend. The attorneys have fought a brilliant legal battle. That one mistake does not change the fact that there are no facts presented by the NFL.

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I did not mean make them "testify", I meant make them show up for deposition. Casual format, questions by the NFLPA lawyers.. answers by the person deposed, all sworn, all recorded.

When the trial comes around those depositions are used.

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Here's putting this into perspective again about their "pages of evidence". The Obama Care bill is roughly 2,400 pages, yet the NFL has 50,000? Well, at least these two tie in together. If Vilma remains suspended, he will have health insurance to get that knee checked again. :p

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So basically what you're saying is Der Kommisar (channeling Pelosi) said:

"I had to suspend them, to see what kind of evidence there was."

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Via twitter a few min ago....

@SportsLawGuy
Goodell just submitted decleration to court saying he had decided to punish players at the same time as coaches but delayed at PA's request.

@SportsLawGuy
Ie, commish did not prejudge when he publicly announced Vilma's involvement. He had already determined Vilma's guilt (as he has the right to do)

@dkaplanSBJ
NFL has responded to La. judge's request 4 timing on when the NFLPA asked the league to defer on bounty punishment: Mar 7 is the answer.



So it was March 7th but its well document that Goodell denied their request but then proceeded to wait until May 2nd to actually lay down suspensions on the players.

Per Florio's article on PFT:

"As Jim Trotter of SI.com reported on March 16, the NFL told the NFLPA in a letter dated March 14 that “there is no basis for delaying the imposition of any discipline in this matter.”

Based on that letter, it appears that, yes, the NFLPA made the request but that the NFL actually told them, no, we’re not going to do what you want us to do.

Then there’s the fact that Commissioner Roger Goodell said in an April 24 interview with the league’s in-house TV network that decisions still had not been made as to the players.

“I hope to reach those decisions very soon,” Goodell said. “We have been continuing our work. We have continued to talk to players and other people that can give us a perspective. Once we have got all the information and we feel that we are in a position to be able to issue the fairest and most thorough types of decisions, we will do that but I expect to do that soon because this is a big element to me.”
March 21 suddenly looms large over bounty case | ProFootballTalk


NFL is grasping at straws now cuz no doubt NFLPA is going to counter that decleration with this info.

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:popcorn:

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Indeed... crickets are chirping, Halo. They don't want to touch this with a 10-ft pole!

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A snippet was posted, actually, not so long ago. 2 paragraphs.

NFL files evidence backing commissioner Roger Goodell in Jonathan Vilma case - ESPN

The comments are coming in fast and furious :)

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Was that post on their FRONT PAGE? If so, I stand corrected. If not... I rest my case, your Honor.

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What does it all mean?

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Oh, no. You have to go to the NFL page, then look at the links on the right.

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It means Goddell and the NFL just got caught lying to a judge.

Goddell says he was prepared to render punishments at the same time he punished the coaches/FO (March 21st), but that he delayed the punishments until late April after the NFLPA requested the delay. As proof, the NFL sent Judge Berrigan the letter the NFLPA sent to them on March 7th requesting the delay of suspensions. HOWEVER, the NFL had replied to the NFLPA denying the request for delay on March 16th... it was even posted on nfl.com.

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It's going downhill faster and faster for Roger Goodbuttphucker. Getting a taste of his own medicine, if ya catch my drift.

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We've been seeing that for some time LB.
The spiral truly started when Vilma filed this lawsuit.

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Here it bees, from the Times Pic

NFL responds to federal judge's request for information in Vilma case

The NFL has filed its answer to U.S. District Judge Ginger Berrigan's request for information on what transpired in March when commissioner Roger Goodell announced his discipline for the coaches and New Orleans Saints officials involved in the alleged bounty system, but not for the players. Here is the relevant text:

NFL'S SUBMISSION PURSUANT TO THE COURT'S ORDER OF AUGUST 15, 2012

By Order dated August 15, 2012 (Doc. No. 112), the Court directed the parties "to identify the date on which the NFLPA requested that Mr. Goodell defer issuing discipline notices to the players rather than issuing them at the same time that he disciplined the coaches" and, if that date was not already in the record, for the Parties "to submit the relevant evidence." (Id.) In response to this Order, the NFL respectfully submits the following:

1. By letter dated March 7, 2012 from Richard Berthelsen, then-General Counsel of the NFLPA, to Jeffrey Pash, Executive Vice President and General Counsel of the NFL, the NFLPA requested that the Commissioner agree to defer, "for a period of at least sixty days," disciplinary proceedings "against any of the individuals involved" in the Saints' pay-for-performance bounty program to afford the NFLPA an opportunity to conduct its own "comprehensive review" of the circumstances. (Declaration of Adolpho Birch, Ex. LL (submitted herewith).)

2. By letter dated March 14, 2012, Mr. Pash responded, stating that after careful review, the League had concluded that "there is no basis for delaying the imposition of any discipline in this matter, and particularly not as it may apply to a club or any non-player employee of a club" (emphasis added). (Birch Decl., Ex. MM.)

3. Commissioner Goodell had intended to discipline the Saints players who were involved in the pay-for-performance/bounty program at the same time that he disciplined the Saints franchise and its non-player employees. However, in light of the NFLPA's request, in telephone conversations with DeMaurice Smith, Executive Director of the NFLPA, occurring sometime between March 14, 2012, the date of the letter referred to in Paragraph 2, and March 21, 2012, the Commissioner agreed to address first discipline of the club and non-player employees and to afford the NFLPA a reasonable opportunity to conduct its own investigation and express its views before he imposed discipline on the players. (Declaration of Roger Goodell, (submitted herewith).)

4. After no additional information was received from the NFLPA (other than the Declaration of Mr. Hargrove (Ex. W)), notice letters to the players were sent on May 2, eight weeks after the NFLPA's request for a 60-day deferral.

Respectfully submitted,

NFL responds to federal judge's request for information in Vilma case - New Orleans Saints Football NFL News - NOLA.com

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FACT.


Can anyone interperet this down to the details?

NFL files evidence backing commissioner Roger Goodell in Jonathan Vilma case - ESPN


I do appreciate the input from Tobias-Reiper, perhaps a little more holmes :-)

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Is Goodall related to Donald Trump? They are both total douchbags