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Old 08-16-2012, 07:52 PM   #1
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NFL Files "evidence" today

NEW ORLEANS -- The NFL on Thursday provided a federal judge with what it says is evidence commissioner Roger Goodell did not improperly pre-judge the four players suspended in the bounty investigation.

The evidence includes a copy of a letter the NFL Players' Association sent the league on March 7 asking Goodell to delay punishment of players implicated in the bounty probe.

It also includes a sworn declaration from Goodell in which he states he was prepared to hand down player discipline at the same time he announced suspensions for coaches and executives on March 21. Goodell's declaration states he held off after verbally agreeing to do so in a phone conversation with union head DeMaurice Smith.


NFL files evidence backing commissioner Roger Goodell in Jonathan Vilma case - ESPN
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I hope Goodell goes down in flames.
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For some reason I'm just not following this story. Why should anyone care whether or not Goodell was asked to delay punishment? Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this whole thing about the players accusing Roger of punishing them without adequate, or really any evidence at all? Isn't Vilma's lawsuit about Defamation? This copy (what a surprise, another copy of something and not an original) of whatever they claim the NFLPA asked for has absolutely nothing to do with anything in my eyes.
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For some reason I'm just not following this story. Why should anyone care whether or not Goodell was asked to delay punishment? Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this whole thing about the players accusing Roger of punishing them without adequate, or really any evidence at all? Isn't Vilma's lawsuit about Defamation? This copy (what a surprise, another copy of something and not an original) of whatever they claim the NFLPA asked for has absolutely nothing to do with anything in my eyes.

I am no lawyer, but as I understand it:
Goddell made statements about the players when he issued punishment for the coaches in March, such as "they embraced [the bounty [program]", and named Vilma and Smith as the leaders. But then, he made statements in April about how the investigation was still on-going and he was still considering evidence to arrive at a decision on what the punishments should be. If he indeed had made up his mind in March and was ready to hand out punishments in March before the investigation was concluded in late April, it shows that he had a prejudice against the players, and therefore was not an impartial arbitrator either on handing out original punishments, or the appeals. It also enforces Vilma's claims of defamation, as any statement made before the investigation was concluded would be considered slanderous.

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Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper View Post
I am no lawyer, but as I understand it:
Goddell made statements about the players when he issued punishment for the coaches in March, such as "they embraced [the bounty [program]", and named Vilma and Smith as the leaders. But then, he made statements in April about how the investigation was still on-going and he was still considering evidence to arrive at a decision on what the punishments should be. If he indeed had made up his mind in March and was ready to hand out punishments in March before the investigation was concluded in late April, it shows that he had a prejudice against the players, and therefore was not an impartial arbitrator either on handing out original punishments, or the appeals. It also enforces Vilma's claims of defamation, as any statement made before the investigation was concluded would be considered slanderous.
Hmm... Well now it at least makes some sense to me. It just seems like the focus has shifted more toward this matter than the original reason of the lawsuit. I can see now how this might help the players, but I am also curious as to what the judge thinks of the so-called evidence provided by the NFL about the bounties, and not just some letter asking for a delay.
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...but I am also curious as to what the judge thinks of the so-called evidence provided by the NFL about the bounties, and not just some letter asking for a delay.
If I remember correctly, she said the evidence is "borderline ridiculous".
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If I remember correctly, she said the evidence is "borderline ridiculous".
Well I hope she said that. Because she would be quite right.
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NFL files evidence backing Goodell in Saints bounty case

NEW ORLEANS (AP) -- The NFL on Thursday provided a federal judge with what it says is evidence Commissioner Roger Goodell did not improperly pre-judge the four players suspended in the bounty investigation.

The evidence includes a copy of a letter the NFL Players Association sent the league on March 7 asking Goodell to delay punishment of players implicated in the bounty probe.



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Did he provide the reply telling the NFLPA "no"?


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