Saints acquire LB Barrett Rudd from Seahawks for an Undisclosed Pick

papz · 08-20-2012, 09:56 PM

Barrett Ruud's regular 2009 statistics look impressive: 142 tackles, tied for second with London Fletcher and behind Patrick Willis for the most tackles in 2009. Some of that is due to the poor play around him, which means he's often the first one to actually tackle opposing players. However, that's not all of it: Ruud has great range and diagnoses the play very well. According to Football Outsiders he was in on 19% of all Bucs defensive plays in 2008, which was the highest percentage of any player in the league. In 2009 he was in on 18% of all plays, which was 7th highest in the league. Whatever his 2009 faults were, he was good at getting to the ball before the play was over.

Another thing that few people will dispute: Ruud is great in coverage. He can run down the seam with most tight ends in the league and has a good feel for the underneath passing game. He doesn't show up much in the passing stats, but that can be attributed to teams throwing less to his area of the field. Of course, any MLB will still have to rely on safety help over the top, and we were woefully lacking last year in that aspect, at least when Sabby was the relevant safety.

Those aspects of his play are the least controversial, but the one aspect that has this fanbase divided on Ruud is his play against the run. In an attempt to resolve this, I'll take a look at Ruud's advanced statistics in the run game and what they say about his play last year after the jump.

Examining Barrett Ruud's 2009 season using Football Outsiders' advanced statistics - Bucs Nation

He had multiple seasons like that in Tampa Bay. So there's the little upside... and there's that garbage player that was only being mentioned when he was ran over like a rag doll in Tampa Bay.

At least give the guy a chance. Dude hasn't even put on a uniform yet and you have the Saint trolls come out the woodwork and ragging on him. Heaven forbid the guy misses a tackle while he's here.

st thomas · 08-20-2012, 10:30 PM

Originally Posted by papz

Barrett Ruud's regular 2009 statistics look impressive: 142 tackles, tied for second with London Fletcher and behind Patrick Willis for the most tackles in 2009. Some of that is due to the poor play around him, which means he's often the first one to actually tackle opposing players. However, that's not all of it: Ruud has great range and diagnoses the play very well. According to Football Outsiders he was in on 19% of all Bucs defensive plays in 2008, which was the highest percentage of any player in the league. In 2009 he was in on 18% of all plays, which was 7th highest in the league. Whatever his 2009 faults were, he was good at getting to the ball before the play was over.

Another thing that few people will dispute: Ruud is great in coverage. He can run down the seam with most tight ends in the league and has a good feel for the underneath passing game. He doesn't show up much in the passing stats, but that can be attributed to teams throwing less to his area of the field. Of course, any MLB will still have to rely on safety help over the top, and we were woefully lacking last year in that aspect, at least when Sabby was the relevant safety.

Those aspects of his play are the least controversial, but the one aspect that has this fanbase divided on Ruud is his play against the run. In an attempt to resolve this, I'll take a look at Ruud's advanced statistics in the run game and what they say about his play last year after the jump.

Examining Barrett Ruud's 2009 season using Football Outsiders' advanced statistics - Bucs Nation

He had multiple seasons like that in Tampa Bay. So there's the little upside... and there's that garbage player that was only being mentioned when he was ran over like a rag doll in Tampa Bay.

At least give the guy a chance. Dude hasn't even put on a uniform yet and you have the Saint trolls come out the woodwork and ragging on him. Heaven forbid the guy misses a tackle while he's here.

THANKS PAPZ, good stat read on ruud. if he can cover a tightend or lock end on a running qb, i know 2 that can and will run on our schedule, he's a great pick-up.

jcp026 · 08-20-2012, 10:12 PM

With all the injuries, this move almost seems like an absolute necessity. I like it.

Halo · 08-20-2012, 10:13 PM

I know he ate Ivory's jock, but I thought the guy was a decent LB for the Bucs. I lost track of him. I definitely like the depth!

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SaintsBro · 08-21-2012, 07:22 AM

Originally Posted by Halo

I know he ate Ivory's jock, but I thought the guy was a decent LB for the Bucs. I lost track of him. I definitely like the depth!

I wonder if our RIDICULOUSLY ALL PRO OFFENSIVE LINE might have been who's jock he was eating and who was knocking him on his arse all day...I am more curious about how he did against other running backs than how he did against us.

He is a longtime vet with an injury list as long as my arm, but realistically he only might be needed for the first half of the season if we get some of these other injuries and suspensions back. Remember how Mike McKenzie came back off the street and looked like an amazing baller against the Pats, everybody was like YEAHHHHHH, and he was good for about a half game after that, then dropped off and looked bad and we cut him when other people came back from injuries. That's really all we might need from this dude here. Or maybe we get more from him, who knows.

Crusader · 08-21-2012, 07:37 AM

Originally Posted by SaintsBro

Remember how Mike McKenzie came back off the street and looked like an amazing baller against the Pats, everybody was like YEAHHHHHH, and he was good for about a half game after that, then dropped off and looked bad and we cut him when other people came back from injuries. That's really all we might need from this dude here. Or maybe we get more from him, who knows.

Difference was that MM didn't cost us a draft pick. However I feel that our FO would never trade for a guy unless they had a really good feeling about him.

Budsdrinker · 08-21-2012, 07:55 AM

Originally Posted by Crusader

Difference was that MM didn't cost us a draft pick. However I feel that our FO would never trade for a guy unless they had a really good feeling about him.

It's a conditional pick based upon Rudd making the team and how much he plays. It will probably be a 5th rounder.

ScottF · 08-21-2012, 08:59 AM

Originally Posted by Crusader

Difference was that MM didn't cost us a draft pick. However I feel that our FO would never trade for a guy unless they had a really good feeling about him.

That's my thought also. We could have brought in a FA retread, but committing a pick means we must like him. I remember he had a couple of really strong games against us- 10 tackles twice in past couple years

Merriman moved to DE to revive his career and it didn't work, so I'd pass

Halo · 08-21-2012, 09:18 AM

Originally Posted by ScottF

That's my thought also. We could have brought in a FA retread, but committing a pick means we must like him. I remember he had a couple of really strong games against us- 10 tackles twice in past couple years

Merriman moved to DE to revive his career and it didn't work, so I'd pass

Merriman is a risk for anyone. In 2010 he suffered an Achilles tendon injury in the first ever practice after the Bills picked him up. Bills put him IR and Merriman signed a 2 year extension with 5 million guaranteed. One year later, in October of 2011, Merriman suffered a torn Achilles tendon and the Bills released him. For 2012, the Bills switched to a 4-3 and moved Merriman to end, then released him.

I think Merriman is plagued with injuries and I can tell you from experience, if you injure your Achilles, you never forget it the rest of your life. Knowing our front office, Ruud was probably the best talent for the right price on the market.

Luda34 · 08-20-2012, 10:34 PM

I think it a good trade if he can plays the way he played at Tampa Bay.

08-20-2012, 09:56 PM	#1
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,793	Re: Saints trade Seahawks for LB Barrett Rudd for Undisclosed Pick Barrett Ruud's regular 2009 statistics look impressive: 142 tackles, tied for second with London Fletcher and behind Patrick Willis for the most tackles in 2009. Some of that is due to the poor play around him, which means he's often the first one to actually tackle opposing players. However, that's not all of it: Ruud has great range and diagnoses the play very well. According to Football Outsiders he was in on 19% of all Bucs defensive plays in 2008, which was the highest percentage of any player in the league. In 2009 he was in on 18% of all plays, which was 7th highest in the league. Whatever his 2009 faults were, he was good at getting to the ball before the play was over. Another thing that few people will dispute: Ruud is great in coverage. He can run down the seam with most tight ends in the league and has a good feel for the underneath passing game. He doesn't show up much in the passing stats, but that can be attributed to teams throwing less to his area of the field. Of course, any MLB will still have to rely on safety help over the top, and we were woefully lacking last year in that aspect, at least when Sabby was the relevant safety. Those aspects of his play are the least controversial, but the one aspect that has this fanbase divided on Ruud is his play against the run. In an attempt to resolve this, I'll take a look at Ruud's advanced statistics in the run game and what they say about his play last year after the jump. Examining Barrett Ruud's 2009 season using Football Outsiders' advanced statistics - Bucs Nation He had multiple seasons like that in Tampa Bay. So there's the little upside... and there's that garbage player that was only being mentioned when he was ran over like a rag doll in Tampa Bay. At least give the guy a chance. Dude hasn't even put on a uniform yet and you have the Saint trolls come out the woodwork and ragging on him. Heaven forbid the guy misses a tackle while he's here. Halo, D_it_up, \|Mitch\| and 2 others like this.
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08-20-2012, 10:30 PM	#2
st thomas Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lafayette Posts: 7,753	Re: Saints trade Seahawks for LB Barrett Rudd for Undisclosed Pick Originally Posted by papz Barrett Ruud's regular 2009 statistics look impressive: 142 tackles, tied for second with London Fletcher and behind Patrick Willis for the most tackles in 2009. Some of that is due to the poor play around him, which means he's often the first one to actually tackle opposing players. However, that's not all of it: Ruud has great range and diagnoses the play very well. According to Football Outsiders he was in on 19% of all Bucs defensive plays in 2008, which was the highest percentage of any player in the league. In 2009 he was in on 18% of all plays, which was 7th highest in the league. Whatever his 2009 faults were, he was good at getting to the ball before the play was over. Another thing that few people will dispute: Ruud is great in coverage. He can run down the seam with most tight ends in the league and has a good feel for the underneath passing game. He doesn't show up much in the passing stats, but that can be attributed to teams throwing less to his area of the field. Of course, any MLB will still have to rely on safety help over the top, and we were woefully lacking last year in that aspect, at least when Sabby was the relevant safety. Those aspects of his play are the least controversial, but the one aspect that has this fanbase divided on Ruud is his play against the run. In an attempt to resolve this, I'll take a look at Ruud's advanced statistics in the run game and what they say about his play last year after the jump. Examining Barrett Ruud's 2009 season using Football Outsiders' advanced statistics - Bucs Nation He had multiple seasons like that in Tampa Bay. So there's the little upside... and there's that garbage player that was only being mentioned when he was ran over like a rag doll in Tampa Bay. At least give the guy a chance. Dude hasn't even put on a uniform yet and you have the Saint trolls come out the woodwork and ragging on him. Heaven forbid the guy misses a tackle while he's here. THANKS PAPZ, good stat read on ruud. if he can cover a tightend or lock end on a running qb, i know 2 that can and will run on our schedule, he's a great pick-up.

08-20-2012, 10:12 PM	#3
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08-20-2012, 10:13 PM	#4
Halo Site Donor MONTHLY Join Date: May 2002 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 20,894 Blog Entries: 45	I know he ate Ivory's jock, but I thought the guy was a decent LB for the Bucs. I lost track of him. I definitely like the depth! Sent from my SCH-I510 using Tapatalk 2 SaintsBro likes this.

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SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints acquire LB Barrett Rudd from Seahawks for an Undisclosed Pick Originally Posted by Halo I know he ate Ivory's jock, but I thought the guy was a decent LB for the Bucs. I lost track of him. I definitely like the depth! I wonder if our RIDICULOUSLY ALL PRO OFFENSIVE LINE might have been who's jock he was eating and who was knocking him on his arse all day...I am more curious about how he did against other running backs than how he did against us. He is a longtime vet with an injury list as long as my arm, but realistically he only might be needed for the first half of the season if we get some of these other injuries and suspensions back. Remember how Mike McKenzie came back off the street and looked like an amazing baller against the Pats, everybody was like YEAHHHHHH, and he was good for about a half game after that, then dropped off and looked bad and we cut him when other people came back from injuries. That's really all we might need from this dude here. Or maybe we get more from him, who knows.

08-21-2012, 07:37 AM	#6
Crusader Resident Swede Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Märsta, Sweden Posts: 8,045	Re: Saints acquire LB Barrett Rudd from Seahawks for an Undisclosed Pick Originally Posted by SaintsBro Remember how Mike McKenzie came back off the street and looked like an amazing baller against the Pats, everybody was like YEAHHHHHH, and he was good for about a half game after that, then dropped off and looked bad and we cut him when other people came back from injuries. That's really all we might need from this dude here. Or maybe we get more from him, who knows. Difference was that MM didn't cost us a draft pick. However I feel that our FO would never trade for a guy unless they had a really good feeling about him. CharityMike likes this.

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Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Re: Saints acquire LB Barrett Rudd from Seahawks for an Undisclosed Pick Originally Posted by Crusader Difference was that MM didn't cost us a draft pick. However I feel that our FO would never trade for a guy unless they had a really good feeling about him. It's a conditional pick based upon Rudd making the team and how much he plays. It will probably be a 5th rounder.

08-21-2012, 08:59 AM	#8
ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Re: Saints acquire LB Barrett Rudd from Seahawks for an Undisclosed Pick Originally Posted by Crusader Difference was that MM didn't cost us a draft pick. However I feel that our FO would never trade for a guy unless they had a really good feeling about him. That's my thought also. We could have brought in a FA retread, but committing a pick means we must like him. I remember he had a couple of really strong games against us- 10 tackles twice in past couple years Merriman moved to DE to revive his career and it didn't work, so I'd pass Halo likes this.

08-21-2012, 09:18 AM	#9
Halo Site Donor MONTHLY Join Date: May 2002 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 20,894 Blog Entries: 45	Re: Saints acquire LB Barrett Rudd from Seahawks for an Undisclosed Pick Originally Posted by ScottF That's my thought also. We could have brought in a FA retread, but committing a pick means we must like him. I remember he had a couple of really strong games against us- 10 tackles twice in past couple years Merriman moved to DE to revive his career and it didn't work, so I'd pass Merriman is a risk for anyone. In 2010 he suffered an Achilles tendon injury in the first ever practice after the Bills picked him up. Bills put him IR and Merriman signed a 2 year extension with 5 million guaranteed. One year later, in October of 2011, Merriman suffered a torn Achilles tendon and the Bills released him. For 2012, the Bills switched to a 4-3 and moved Merriman to end, then released him. I think Merriman is plagued with injuries and I can tell you from experience, if you injure your Achilles, you never forget it the rest of your life. Knowing our front office, Ruud was probably the best talent for the right price on the market.
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08-20-2012, 10:34 PM	#10
Luda34 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Houston Tx Posts: 1,219	Re: Saints trade Seahawks for LB Barrett Rudd for Undisclosed Pick I think it a good trade if he can plays the way he played at Tampa Bay. 73Saint likes this.

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