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Over the past couple of seasons, several folks (you know who ya are ;) ) have come up with several arguements in an attempt to prove Aaron Brooks is not worthy of being the QB of the Saints.

When I first joined in the discussion, it was completion %. Brooks took care of that arguement!!
Completion %
1st year as starter: 55.9%
Last year as starter: 59.1%

So, then they complain about interceptions:
Aaron Brooks proves them wrong about that:
Interceptions:
1st year as starter: 22
Last year as starter: 8

Now, they are so desperate they want to say he's dumb and they say the "wonderlic" proves it. I say any rational person would know that one test doesn't prove anything. Obviously these folks don't know too much about the wonderlic or what the test is designed to prove. So, let me let Mr. Charlie Wondelic tell you for himself. But, I think SOME or you already knew this. Never-the-less, let me shoot this one down, so I won't ever have to hear the word "wonderlic" again.. :P

Wonderlic Score:
Aaron Brooks: 17
Dan Marino: 16

What's the next arguement ya'll want to discuss... ;)

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http://banerunner.freeservers.com/im...upidthread.jpg

And the best thing about this picture is that whoever put it together, spells about as good as some of our members :D

[Edited on 12/7/2004 by BlackandBlue]

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Brooks is a talented QB. If he could just not fumble as much, that\'d be great. He actually cost us games by his untimely fumbles, which always seemed to take bad bounces.

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B&B --

Stupid in a good kind of way, though, right? Like when someone says \"that\'s bad\", they really mean it\'s good. :P

If these folks want to hang their hat on some \"wonderlic\" score, then we must have our facts straight. Knowledge is power :exclam: ;)

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Well, this is a more user friendly, P.C. Black & Gold message boards. I was in no way implying that the creator and writer was stupid, just the thread.
And sure, it could be construed as stupid=good.

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Then the opposite could be true too? In that case, your post was good :D

[Edited on 12/7/2004 by GumboBC]

[Edited on 12/7/2004 by GumboBC]

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For the fun of it , let\'s see where our wonder boy has progressed too ....

Brooks in his 3 years of unchallenged learning and progress has achieved a 59.1 completion percentage ......

Let\'s look at some other players ......

Ferrotte 58.5 - 2nd string
Volek 63.2 - 2nd string
Delhomme 59.2 - starter 1st season
Bulger 63.2 - starter 1st season
Couch 59.1 - Cut by team
Warner 58.5 - Cut by team
Brooks 59.1 - Seasoned veteran

Hmmmm

Well the only thing left to wonder is why does he still have a job ...... ;)

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B&B,

I think when stupid = good, it is spelled \"stoopid\". ;)

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Stick around awhile and it will be spelled \" Brooks \".

I have a hunch , knowing this bunch .... :P

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Let me ask you guys (Brook haters)...

You want Brooks out, right? Who would you have start? Bouman? Kordell Stewart? Hell ya, i want a Peyton Manning, Steve McNair, but nobody\'s going to trade them. So who? Tim Couch? Jeff Blake?

I am highly critical of Brooks and all the Saints because my heart skips beats on Sundays, my pulse quickens and my attitude gets adjusted, and so I want them to be the best that they can be...

But lets be realistic. I\'m sure there are quite a few of you who (if given the chance) would fire him right now. Cool. SO then what? Who do you put in, coach?

I ask this, because a lot of pessimists think of themselves as \'realists\'. But i beg to differ. Optimists and pssimists are much more alike than that.

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I think Bobby Hebert still lives in Louisiana, he\'s probably available.......

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Better yet......John Fourcade...

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Touche, 08. Finger guns.

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St. Shrume,

A good question. I don\'t think that there is anyone available WITH A PROVEN TRACK RECORD who is better than Brooks. I am also not a Brooks hater. I think to answer your question, someone should look to the second stringers and see if anyone is ready to rise up (e.g. Jake two years ago). I\'m sure few here are \"in the know\" enough to suggest someone, but that certainly doesn\'t mean there is no such person.

Either way, Brooks is doing just fine! (That ought to stir someone up.)

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JKool -- I know for a fact you aren\'t a Brooks hater. But, make no mistake, there are Brooks haters. Some of \'em are just smarter than others. ;)

You have different levels of Brooks folks:

1. Folks that openly admit they hate Brooks: BrooksMustGo and saintz08.
You know where these type of people stand. They want Brooks gone no matter what.

2. The hidden agenda folks: (you know who you are)
These folks want to appear as though they are unbiased. These are the people you have to watch out for. They critique everything from completion % to wonderlic scores to touch passes, to reading defenses, to how he sounds when he\'s being interviewed. In other word: They just look for ANYTHING to complain about. But they take the stand they don\'t hate Brooks. Maybe not, but something sticks out to me as being odd. Maybe, it\'s just my imagination!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

3. The devils advocate folks: (you know who you are too)
These folks will argue both sides. They really aren\'t sold on Brooks but they aren\'t convinced he can\'t get the job done either.

[Edited on 13/7/2004 by GumboBC]

[Edited on 13/7/2004 by GumboBC]

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I\'ve bore 3 of Brooks\' illegitimate children... I have reason to love the guy, lol

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What do the childern look like. Do they have nice smiles?? ;)

Oh, I forgot the last group of Brooks folks.

4. Supports Brooks to the death.
That would be me. I won\'t include anyone else. I\'ve been on the Brooks\' wagon from day one, and I plan on riding it where ever it takes me... :P

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The destination for that wagon is straight to the Audubon park flag football sandlot championships I\'d wager.

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Maybe, maybe not. But, I know where that wagon is going to take me this season. And that\'s watching Aaron Brooks as the starting QB of the Saints. Those are the games I\'ll be buying tickets for. Maybe you should see if you can pick up a couple of tickets to the \"sandlot\" league and see what\'s going on over there... :P

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I think I fall in category 5: Brooks is good enough to do the job, but he still needs to improve more. Specifically the fumblitis that he seemed to have caught last year. As good as he has been, and as much improvement as we\'ve seen in the last three years, he still as of yet has put it all together. Here\'s the season I\'d like to see (along with his best so far in parenthesis for a full season of play):

1. 4000 yards (3832)

2. 30+ touchdowns (27)

3. 12 interceptions or less (8!) along with 5 or less lost fumbles (2!).

4. 90.0 or better QB rating (88.8)

5. Make the Pro Bowl (alternate so far right?)

6. Lead the team to winning the division. (check. Let\'s do it again)

7. Lead the team to at least the NFC championship game. (Won Saints only playoff victory. A good start)


Now of course he can\'t do it all by himself. We need to remain relatively healthy. The defense needs to step up. The receivers needs to hang on to the ball and the line needs to gel relatively quickly with their modifications.

But I believe the Brooks is capable of such a year. He has his own talent along with the rest of the offense to make it happen.

But Brooks and everyone else needs to step up to make it happen. He\'s been close enough on his personal stats to pull it off. The question is can he put it all together in a single year?

SFIAH

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I\'m with Billy on this one, but I haven\'t always been on cloud 4. Jeff Blake was my favorite quarterback for a long time, having won my respect while he was an East Carolina pirate, so when AB stole his job, I was livid.

In fact, I will forever believe that if Blake had gotten his chance that second year we\'d have been right back in the playoffs. Brooks\' inexperience cost us.

That said, I\'ve come around.

His smile, the one fans hate when chips are down, that\'s what\'s gonna put him over the top. If he let mistakes eat him he\'d have no shot at greatness, and probably wouldn\'t have made it this far.

Well, he doesn\'t have that problem, and when that smile is accompanied by a Lombardi trophy, you\'ll agree.

His talent is top five in the league. Period. Name more than four other starting QB\'s with more physical tools without lying. I dare you.

(400 yds passing then 100 yds rushing = scoreboard)

That sound you hear is the pieces of a championship season falling into place. You don\'t have to believe, but I promise, you\'ll see.

[Edited on 14/7/2004 by kenpersons]

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Bouman is a bust

Trade Brooks / Bouman and a DT to be named later for Rattay or Pennington .

Go for Pennington , J.T. is solid enough and pick up a valued backup after they get to the roster limit .....

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Hold the phone here .

I am not sure about that Brooks hater title I am getting here .

I would have cheered for Brooks in a Chargers uniform , when they played the Falcons. Now if Steve Young became a Saint I would spend every game cheering for both defenses ..... ;)

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I don\'t hate Brooks.

I do think he is basically Jeff George though--all potential and no delivery. I\'d like for him to be the QB on my flag football team at the company picnic but he has no business as QB of professional football team.

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Subtlety is not your strong point Billy. I wonder who you\'re referring to.

And yes, you\'re right, it is your imagination. Those same people that \"critique everything\" about Brooks do NOT only focus on the negative. Some of \"those people\" have defended Brooks on this board. Some have said that he is and should be the starter. Some have said he can and should be a Pro Bowler this season. You\'re right Billy, your perception is skewed. Point is, SOME PEOPLE critique EVERYTHING about Brooks. The good, the bad, and the ugly. Others REFUSE TO BELIEVE THAT THE MAN HAS ANY FLAWS. That goes beyond your run of the mill Brooks lover - from now on I\'m going to call \"those people\" Brooks Stalkers.

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We\'re not worthy!
We\'re not worthy!

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Hi, I never post here, I just read alot, but I wanted to give my two cents.

1. No one is currently available to replace Brooks, and make the team improve. However...If the Saints had realized a year or two ago the chance to say trade a second round pick (and maybe Brooks) for a chance to get Eli Manning this year, that would have been ideal. I mean so what, we would have sucked, Haslett would be fired, but honestly 3 years from now everyone would be like \"The Has what?\" \"Brooks who??\". I sincerely hope the Saints don\'t lose the chance to grab another key player next year, Corey Webster, LSU.

2. No matter how you look at it, Brooks is a top 15 quarterback. You can\'t argue with that. When you are a top 15 quarterback in the National Football League, you don\'t need to toss around wonderlic scores and year after year of stats to show who\'s better than someone else. You are a talented, athletic individual, period. The bottom line is - Over the course of the last 3 seasons, Brooks (along with other members of the team) have found ways to lose gamves for the Saints (anyone remember the Bengals who were 0-100000?) Brooks has greatly improved from a rook, to a seasoned veteran, however until he consistently improves all facets of his game every Sunday, he will not be the \"leader\" that we need.

3. Brooks (unless by some super bowl type miracle) will not achieve those awesome numbers of 4000 yards, 30+ TD\'s etc. We have Deuce (9 100 yard games in a row!) and possibly Mike Karney to take some of Brooks stats. Also, when you said 5 lost fumbles or less, stating that he had 2 last season, (and obviously fumbling was a factor that caused the Saints to lose games, i.e. Bucs game) you would want something like 1 lost fumble or 0 lost fumbles, not 5 or less, that\'s not an improvement. Ok I\'m done. Anyone agree, disagree, don\'t care?? Speak up, I\'ll probably start posting here often :)

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Welcome aboard Flanders.

I will disagree, just to get you started.

(1) It is not clear to me that there isn\'t someone to replace Brooks (not that I think he should be). It is just the case that there is no PROVEN person to replace Brooks right now. However, there is always some second stringer somewhere just waiting for a chance to excel (e.g. Delhomme).

(2) No one \"finds\" ways to lose games! Sometimes you have certain skills, luck, play calling that go or don\'t go your way. There was no time that any player was thinking \"oh, it would be cool if we lost this new and exciting way\". I know that you didn\'t mean this, but I\'m kind of tired of people saying things like \"Brooks will find some new way to fail\". Every guy on this team (or any NFL team for that matter) plays to win, and Brooks is no exception. Maybe he needs a little more practice here or there, but he certainly doesn\'t need to be taught to win - he (and every single other NFL player) learned that when they played at the age of 10!

(3) How do you figure that Karney will take some of Brooks numbers? As of right now, the FB is only scheduled to play 1/3 of the offensive downs. Also, our FB usage is primarily as a blocker.

(4) Most people on this board will tell you that Brooks numbers are irrelevant; it is only W/L that matters. Now, I\'m not one of those people, but I figured I\'d ask you what you thought about that before someone else said it in a much nastier manner.

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Gator, wtf mate?

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kp,

Did you mean could nine? What is could 4?

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08,

What do you mean that Bouman is a bust? Did anyone expect him to be anymore than a quality backup? If not, then I don\'t see a problem with his performance - he is a fine backup.

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Don\'t remember much about Bouman, except he subbed into a game in Minnesota, and had a killer performance.

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He is a back up with back up mentality . He is not going to push Brooks to keep the edge sharp and challenge him at any point . As a coach you want to see 54 1st string players and have a hard time deciding , who gets the start . With Bouman behind Brooks there is no competition factor .....

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Granted I don\'t know all that much about Bouman, however is the statement fair that he is a backup that will never challange AB for the starting position fair?
From what I\'ve seen Haz refuses to (historically speaking) pull AB. This doesn\'t mean that Bouman can\'t challange for the starting position based on his ablity, but rather on politics.