Can Hartley Be Trusted?
 

The Saints' loss by no means is Garrett Hartley's fault - though his miss definitely, directly contributed to it...

Recalling the loss to Atlanta in the 2010 season was eerily familiar...

...this offense, despite some recent struggles, doesn't require Morten Andersen...


...so was Old Man John Kasay more reliable???

...let the second guessing begin...

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Need a more reliable kicker, Hartley is extremely inconsistent and whilst I don't blame him for the loss today, there will be a time when he screw is again

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Can Hartley be trusted? And I answer: Do we have a choice?

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With Kasay, you did get the feeling he was going to get it done...

While eating pizza with friends during the game, several people moaned "here we go" before Hartley missed...

...and I knew I wanted to asked this forum that question...

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We did...John Kasay; and he's still a free agent...

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Got Kromer on speed dial? We do not have a choice, we have to be fans of whatever they decide to put on the field

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Not saying it was Hartly's fault... but I'd resign John Kasey.

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It's time to get a new Kicker, I think there were all kinds of games today showing how important a good kicker actually is, including our game.

Dustin Hopkins from Florida State would be a very good choice, he has a strong leg and last year he made 81 percent of his kicks last year. Him or Florida's kicker would be a very good choice.

I don't want either Hartley or Kasay, I think both of their times on New Orleans will be over at the end of the year.

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The whole thing about analyzing a kick that was missed very early on is kind of pointless because the WHOLE game would have been different. I think it is funny when people think we can just add those 3 points thinking the game plays out the same way.

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So you're saying that if he makes that kick, the game is not even close?!?

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Light a fire under his @$$ - give him focus...

Your right. It plays out differently.... We have 3 more points the rest of the entire game.

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I'm saying that you don't know how the ball bounces from there. Who is to say we don't kick off and they don't return it for a touchdown? Butterfly effect.

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But how do you know they don't score on the next kickoff after we score those 3? You don't.

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you can't just add 3 points.

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How does he miss that? In the Dome?

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Heck no, I don't trust Hartley at all. I do get that he is incredibly talented, and I know despite that miss today he has been perfect. I wouldn't run him out of town just yet, but if he starts to show signs of struggling, I would bring Kasey back in a heartbeat. Yes, Kasey is a major liability outside of 40 yards, but 40 and closer he is pretty much dead on.

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I don't believe this game will affect hartly status. But if he pulls that bullcrap miss again then there will be debates or even cuts. Can't put it pn him today but a great observation.we had key drops again that totally changes this game. We had ref goofs made huge bunks.so hartly in my book is safe for another week.

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Yes we can trust Hartley, no him missing on ekick was not the reason for the loss.

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Theoretically an alien space craft could come down and end the game... The facts are not theoretical. If Hartley makes the FG, it adds 3 points, at the end of the game we are 3 points ahead. No OT.

Unless you can explain to me how Hartley making the kick would effect KC scoring a touch down directly i cant buy in to 'how do you know... anything could have happened".

Hartley's kick did not keep them from getting into the endzone after that play. The Defense did.

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Instead of going off on Hartley, that series can be blamed on Brees. That's the series when he had a wide open PT and his throw was off and we had the questionable reversal on what I still say was a catch because I didn't see enough evidence to over turn it but Brees also had a wide open Graham in the middle of the endzone that he didn't see. It's easy to blame a kicker for a miss but he shouldn't have had to come out on the field in the first place.

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Wasn't Drew running for his life on that pass to PT, blame it on the O-Line if you want to blame anyone

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I still would of signed John Kasey. The missed field goal yesterday has nothing to do with it...

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There's blame aplenty to go around, no sense only blaming one person or the other.

The O line only looked decent when RBs and TEs were held back to aid in blocking

The D line only looked decent once Ellis was out and Hicks was in at the end

Hartley misses the true 'pressure kick,' which is really why anyone ever signs a kicker to a decent contract- so when the game is on the line, you make that kick and go home a winner

Brees. Yikes. Looks scared (understandably) an hurried all the time, while still looking for the home run. His touch is just off this year so far

And WR/TEs dropping balls, again. Except for Lance Moore, dude is so clutch that if the nickname Manual Transmission wasn't so long I'd start calling him that. He got robbed, tie goes to the receiver on a call like that. Pierre got robbed as well; not saying it was a legal catch, I'm just saying that there wasn't video evidence to overturn the call on the field.

We're a hot mess folks

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No.

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Wow, let's hope that happens week 12 against Frisco, because ain't no way our current team is gonna pull that one out on their own

It's in the dome.... Maybe they will try and use the Mercedes emblem to communicate with the mother ship.