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SaintFanInATLHELL 08-05-2004 09:22 AM

Henderson: Now this is SO STUPID!
 
Nola.com article (may require registration):

http://www.nola.com/saints/t-p/index...8479274090.xml

Quote:

BY THE NUMBERS: $15,000 -- Amount of money that separates Saints officials and rookie wide receiver Devery Henderson from reaching contractual agreement. Henderson and his agent, Jimmy Sexton, are seeking a signing bonus of $1.425 million and team officials have offered $1.41 million. Henderson has missed the first nine practices.
Can you say IDIOT! Sexton should be fired. Henderson is losing valuable practice time over $15,000?! :o

$15,000 will cause Henderson to sit his butt on the bench all season.
An organization is going to make you an instant millionaire and you're
quibbling over $15,000?

Just Dumb.

SFIAH

saintfan 08-05-2004 09:34 AM

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Yeah. I read that article this morning and thought the same thing. 15k is sure costing him a lot. :casstet:

NOLAmite 08-05-2004 09:43 AM

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That 15, 000 may seem silly to the outsider, but it could be very important to any nfl rookie...
for example, that 15 large could by one spinning 20 inch rim for his new pimped out Escalade... gold caps for his dogs teeth... the entire girls gone wild series for himself and all his peeps...
or a down payment on a new agent that won\'t screw up his career...

if he continues to hold out, who\'s going to be there to carry Joe\'s and Donte\'s bags...




BlackandBlue 08-05-2004 10:38 AM

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Cause that\'s about the only thing he\'ll be doing this year, anyways, is carrying there bags around.

ScottyRo 08-05-2004 12:15 PM

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Unfortunately, he was too high a pick to put him on the practice squad. It\'s a shame that one of our guys out there who is truly working hard to earn a spot is probably going to be cut so we can keep Henderson even though he would rather haggle over $15k than get in camp.

ps. NOLAmite, that\'s a fine line you\'re walking in your post between humorous/crude behavior and overtly offensive behavior. I\'m no moderator at this site, but I think a majority of this site\'s patrons are not going to applaud your racial stereotyping.

Like I said, your post is in that \"gray\" area of whether it is or not offensive, but my advoce to you is one of caution. I, for one, want this site to be as friendly and open as possible.

JOESAM2002 08-05-2004 12:24 PM

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I\'m not sure either how NOLAmite meant the post but I\'m sure we can all agree acting like an idiot isn\'t a black or white thing. ALL men and/or women have the capacity to be stupid. It\'s just a shame Devery is letting his agent lead him down this road. I\'d bet, if Saints fans had known this was the amount three weeks ago, they\'d have taken donations to get him into camp.

WhoDat 08-05-2004 03:03 PM

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Uh-oh ScottyRo, esquire - your own personal feelings are clouding your judgment. That\'s bad for a lawyer, no?

NOLAmite didn\'t make ANY reference to color in any way shape or form. If he was stereotyping, he was stereotyping NFL Players, not one ethnicity versus another. Well, maybe not, but to immediately assume that he was making a comment about African Americans in general shows YOUR prejudice! :P Gotcha lawyer boy! LOL

ScottyRo 08-05-2004 03:18 PM

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Quote:

Uh-oh ScottyRo, esquire - your own personal feelings are clouding your judgment. That\'s bad for a lawyer, no?

NOLAmite didn\'t make ANY reference to color in any way shape or form. If he was stereotyping, he was stereotyping NFL Players, not one ethnicity versus another. Well, maybe not, but to immediately assume that he was making a comment about African Americans in general shows YOUR prejudice! :P Gotcha lawyer boy! LOL
Too bad, but you didn\'t quite get me. All I did was respond to the natural essence of what was said and what it implied. I only read into it what was there.

For instance, if you told me that you put something solid and cold in my drink, I would assume you meant ice although you never said ice. You can\'t come back later and say that I\'m prejudiced against ice because you were talking about metal pellets you had kept in the freezer.

I think we\'re all grown up enough to know what he was saying. It may very well have simply been in jest. My intent was simply to caution NOLAmite about the post so that this board doesn\'t deteriorate into what I have heard the Nola.com board has become.

Lastly, I never mentioned African-Americans either. So, what does that say about your prejudices since your mind went there on its own? ;)

turbo_dog 08-05-2004 04:49 PM

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One thing I was wondering, how much of this is the agent and how much is the player? Not only in this case, but in all of the rookie contract negotiations. Does anybody know the true answer? Does the player have any say in it at all, or does the player have total control?


I didn\'t find his comments racist. In fact, most of the people I know that watch GGW are caucasian. Besides, he said 20\'s not 22\'s. :P

ScottyRo 08-05-2004 05:11 PM

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I don\'t know the true answer, but I would guess that it is the player who has all the control. The agent is an employee of the player.

whodatsaintsfan26 08-05-2004 05:25 PM

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First off let me start by saying im not defending Henderson, but this is silly on both sides. You cant say how stupid this is on his side only. The Saints could just as easily throw in the 15k and get this guy into camp. Everybody talks about the players fighting over a little money, but the team is just as stupid. It is just a beneficial for the saints to get him in camp as it is for him to get there. They need him on the field now and 15k isnt going to hurt the cap. If they used a second round pick on the guy they assume that he is a player they can put in now. Just throw in the chump change get this guy signed.

CheramieIII 08-05-2004 05:58 PM

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:mad2:
I think the Saints should stick to their guns on this one. Sit him on the PS or not sign him at all. It\'s not like we don\'t have alot of good receivers anyway and most with alot more NFL experience than Henderson. The Saints did sign another wide receiver today, I believe in an attempt to send a message to Henderson and his agent. Not the the wide receiver they signed has alot of experience either, but to show him that they are not going to wait around for him. If he stays out of camp for another 2 or 3 weeks he will pretty much be lost for the season anyway.

Play for your pay! Show us what you got first and I\'m sure the Saint\'s will more than make up the 15k you think you\'ve lost.

ScottyRo 08-05-2004 06:06 PM

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I thought about whether the Saints should just give in. It really doesn\'t affect them all that much. Henderson is the one getting behind and thereby losing any chance of seeing the field this season.

On the Saints side, he probably wasn\'t going to play much anyway - especially with all the competition at WR. If he wants to hang his chances of playing this year, then let him.

Now, there\'s no way they can justify cutting him. Nor can they put him on the practice squad since he\'d have to clear waivers first. If he doesn\'t get into camp soon, he\'ll make the 53 man roster, but I doubt he\'ll be activated regularly.

pakowitz 08-05-2004 09:26 PM

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EVERYONE HAS THE RIGHT TO BE STUPID, BUT MOST PEOPLE ABUSE IT

whodatsaintsfan26 08-05-2004 09:35 PM

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I just dont know who all this depth a wr people keep talking about. Stallworth hasnt proved that he can stay healthy or consistent when he is healthy. Pathon is not a game breaker and drops a lot of balls. Crowell also has injury concerns. Gardner caught nothing thrown to him last year when everyone was hurt. The two lewis\'s have shown nothing in game situations. I think it is very important to get him signed and into camp. They wouldnt have taken him the second if they didnt think he could play right away. Until someone else steps up and help horn then as far as i am concerned there is no depth a wr only potential.

Halo 08-05-2004 09:42 PM

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whodatsaintsfan26

Glad to see you\'re back, haven\'t seen you in like a year. My email is editor@blackandgold.net. Hit me up with your new email addy and we can chat to catch up.

Halo

CheramieIII 08-05-2004 10:49 PM

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Hey 26, I had to go back and read everyone\'s post and I did not see the word depth mentioned once. I did mention the fact that we have alot of good receivers in camp already. Whether or not they have or will step up in the future remains to be seen. I do not think that if Henderson does\'nt come to camp or even plays the entire year our chances will be hurt in winning games.

I do think he can make the Saints a better team because he does have talent, but I don\'t think he is helping himself or most importantly the TEAM by squabbling over $15,000.00. This does not appear to me to be a good way to start your career. If he is complaining about 15k now, what will it be next, the color jock strap he has to wear or the size of his locker. Don\'t you think the longer he is out the more resentment the entire team will have towards him, not to mention the fans.

The agent is to blame just as much as Henderson. I think we need to set the example for all players, in all sports, that if you are not a team player, you don\'t play!

Boccal 08-06-2004 09:23 AM

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How many people in here think that alot of the players are over payed......I for one do, but I also think that about all Pro sports. Its just stupid how much money these guys get handed to them to play a sport. But now to my point The Saints shouldn\'t give him the money, Devery can\'t catch the ball but about half the time anyway. And what he and his agent fail to realize is that in this day of contracts and contract disputes he wants to worry about 15k that he will loose any way in his incentive based contract. He should shutup sign the contract that makes him a millionaire and not worry about 15k. What the should do is let him sit and think about \"Holding Out\". Maybe they should give his agent the NFL exam and see what he scores!

Sarsippius 08-06-2004 09:51 AM

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If I was the Saints at this point in the position they are in at WR depth.....I would give his agent one last time to sign and then start lowering my offer by 5k every day. \"Hey Devery...today if you sign i will give you 1.395 mil to sit on the bench all year! No? Ok talk to you tomorrow and offer 1.390.\" Signing bonuses should not be given now that training camp is halfway over... he wasnt even the best reciever on his college team!

JOESAM2002 08-06-2004 10:16 AM

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Hey, just charge him $1,000.00 a day for each day of camp he misses. That\'ll take care of his $15,000.00 quick.

Boccal 08-06-2004 11:23 AM

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My sentiments exactly he is not as good as he thinks he is. Yeah he is fast but I bet there is some one on the team a little faster…. This guy is just stupid. We could have got a better player with a better ego then what we got! For example here are a few that come to my mind that would have helped us out …Dontarrious Thomas, Keiwan Ratliff, Mike Boulware, Sean Jones, Greg Jones, or Shawntae Spencer any of those guys would have been an asset to us.

whodatsaintsfan26 08-06-2004 05:41 PM

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Hey Halo yeah im back. Been really busy for a while. Really missed this place though

CheramieIII 08-06-2004 05:48 PM

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Did he get the money?

whodatsaintsfan26 08-06-2004 05:48 PM

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Cheramielll I guess I should have specified what topic I was talking about people saying depth at the wide reciever position. I just put my two cents in on this specific topic. Here is just one example of talking about depth at the wide reciever position.

Doesn\'t it seem a bit odd that with the depth and log jam we have a wide receiver that w

Sorry for the confusion. Just looking back at different topics. You\'ll have to give me some slack I have been gone for a while.

CheramieIII 08-06-2004 05:52 PM

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I was\'nt trying to weez on your gig man. I was just giving my opinion too. You seem to know your stuff and welcome back even though we havent had the pleasure of talking before. We need all the real supporters on board this year and you seem to be one of them.


Geaux Saint\'s!!!!!!!!!

CheramieIII 08-06-2004 05:53 PM

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Again, did he get the money? Please someone tell me no he did\'nt!


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