New Orleans Saints Forums - blackandgold.com - I am ready to move on from Hartley

New Orleans Saints Forums - blackandgold.com (https://blackandgold.com/community/)

- Saints (https://blackandgold.com/saints/)

- - I am ready to move on from Hartley (https://blackandgold.com/saints/51229-i-am-ready-move-hartley.html)

Re: I am ready to move on from Hartley

Quote:

Originally Posted by Budsdrinker (Post 445056)

Yeah but the reason Thomas had to hold was because he didn't slide his feet for protection. He kept his feet in place like he was in a hole. If he slides to his left he picks up the rush and the kick is good. Bad fundamentals.

No. Watch the play again... He was double teamed. He had one guy in this left hand and one guy in his right hand.. If he slides either way the other guy is in Hartley's face.

His choice was to pick one and let the other run free or try and hold both.

Re: I am ready to move on from Hartley

You drop balls in a game, then in practice you are thrown balls to yo drop!
Time for the coaches to man up and kick some azz!

Re: I am ready to move on from Hartley

Quote:

Originally Posted by Budsdrinker (Post 445050)

Come on guys, 48 yard FG isn't a gimme and there is more than enough blame to go around for the loss.

I agree Buds, and I think most people here will too. I don't blame Hartley for the loss. There is plenty of blame to go around for that. What I do blame Hartley for is missing the field goal...again. That's his job. Like I posted earlier, I have been one of the biggest Hartley defenders and supporters for a long time on this board, but I can't defend him any more. He's too big of a liability. IMO

Re: I am ready to move on from Hartley

Hartley needs to go, they are not putting Sproles in a position to make plays like last year, don't have Payton calling the plays.

Re: I am ready to move on from Hartley

I do not blame Hartley for the loss either.

I blame Hartley for not winning it. There is a difference.

Re: I am ready to move on from Hartley

Quote:

Originally Posted by Budsdrinker (Post 445050)

Are we cutting Sproles too for droping the 3rd and 4 pass from Brees that would have kept the drive alive instead of forcing the long FG?
Come on guys, 48 yard FG isn't a gimme and there is more than enough blame to go around for the loss. I guess the Giants are cutting their kicker for missing last night and Pats kicker for missing 2 of them yesterday. How about we catch the dam ball and only let the kicker kick extra points.

Again, this isn't about just the game yesterday. You know well kicker is a totally different position than runningback. Kickers are journeymen in the NFL, that's their profession. There are always 2 or 3 kickers every season sitting on standby waiting for a call for their 2nd, 3rd, 10th, 12th chance at success again.

When Hartley started missing last season, Payton and Loomis pulled in Kasey fast. Kicker is not a position teams draft and pay big payouts for a guy to just sit on staff.

I disagree that 48 isn't a gimme in the NFL. Kicks below 50 are expected. It's the pros.

He already missed this season from within 39-30 range and another 40+ yarder. Why do people keep apologizing for this guy?

Re: I am ready to move on from Hartley

Tampa Bay kicks a FG to win, Atlanta kicks a FG to win, Saints ? Knew he would miss the second try, he is a head case. Too bad after how great he was in the superbowl run.

Re: I am ready to move on from Hartley

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mardigras9 (Post 445075)

Tampa Bay kicks a FG to win, Atlanta kicks a FG to win, Saints ? Knew he would miss the second try, he is a head case. Too bad after how great he was in the superbowl run.

Well technically the Skins came back and kicked the game winner against TB, but your point remains. Tampa's kicker nailed it (a 47 yarder)

Re: I am ready to move on from Hartley

Even if he makes it there is still 2 minutes or a little more on the clock, I believe Rogers marches them right down the field for a TD. The defense gave him all day with resemblance of a rush what so ever.
IMO the mistake was made much. Earlier in the game kicking a FG from the 3 or something like that instead of going for it, to that point GB hadn't even punted.LOOK HARD AT THE COACHING DECISIONS IN THAT GAME

Re: I am ready to move on from Hartley

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danno (Post 445077)

Well technically the Skins came back and kicked the game winner against TB, but your point remains. Tampa's kicker nailed it (a 47 yarder)

Even better.