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44Champs 10-01-2012 01:31 PM

My theory on Saints Receivers' woes
 
Two words: Curtis Johnson
I don't think people gave him as much credit as he deserves. From 2006-2011, he basically developed a group of no-name receivers into one of the top units in the NFL. I think the impact that he had is much more obvious now that he's gone. I wish him the best at Tulane, but I wish he was still with the Saints.

TXGSP 10-01-2012 01:41 PM

Re: My theory on Saints Receivers' woes
 
Maybe, the receivers should go back to whatever gloves they could catch the ball with...

May also help if they wern't over/underthrown.

dizzle88 10-01-2012 02:03 PM

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Morgan caught the ball with his hands on that long pass, perfect example of how your supposed to catch

Rewatch the game - I saw lance Moore drop two passes when he was more focused on gaining yards after catch than catching the ball
Colston and jimmy dropped a couple when they tried to bring it in with their chests, catch it with your hands not your arms!

dizzle88 10-01-2012 02:06 PM

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Morgan caught the ball with his hands on that long pass, perfect example of how your supposed to catch

Rewatch the game - I saw lance Moore drop two passes when he was more focused on gaining yards after catch than catching the ball
Colston and jimmy dropped a couple when they tried to bring it in with their chests, catch it with your hands not your arms!

When your a WR you are taught to watch the ball into your hands on every catch, the moment you look away and lose concentration you drop the ball

SaintsBro 10-01-2012 02:12 PM

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I think the Curtis Johnson thing is right.

But I also think that the new guy, Henry Ellard, he basically came in here, I think it was mid-March. He came in here, he had probably barely unpacked his boxes in his office and then BOOM, Payton was OUT THE DOOR, within like 2 or 3 weeks of his getting here. During the offseason, with no Payton around, no players around, he didn't know the players yet, or understand their skill sets or anything. He just kinda got thrown in there with nothing, almost no help at all.

No Payton to tell him what he wanted from him, to give instructions, set the tone, what the expectations were, show how the Saints did things, no Payton to introduce Ellard to our routes and receivers by spending time with him in the film room, or give him continuity from the Curtis Johnson style, this is how we do things around here, stuff like that. I mean in football that's huge. The guy is coaching the receivers in a vacuum right now, with no input from above.

It's another one of those little things, where not having Payton is hurting us in ways we maybe didn't predict.

pinch 10-01-2012 02:54 PM

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The only way you can explain drops by an NFL wide receiver is lack of focus. It also wouldn't surprise me if a couple of our WRs are more focused on touchdown dances or throwing a first down sign than than they are completing the catch. Seriously.

foreverfan 10-01-2012 03:12 PM

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"An average WR concerntrates on the football. A great receiver concentrates on concentrating on the ball and their is a big difference" - Danny Abramowitz

Rugby Saint II 10-01-2012 03:32 PM

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100% Curtis Johnson!

Shoe. 10-01-2012 03:35 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pinch (Post 445342)
The only way you can explain drops by an NFL wide receiver is lack of focus. It also wouldn't surprise me if a couple of our WRs are more focused on touchdown dances or throwing a first down sign than than they are completing the catch. Seriously.

*cough* lancemoore *ahem* jimmygraham *cough cough*

TheOak 10-01-2012 03:39 PM

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Are we now blaming dropped balls on a lack of Curtis Johnson?

What did the receivers do in College, High School, pop Warner with out CJ?

BS!

"They" are to blame for the balls "they" drop.

Cory9289 10-01-2012 03:59 PM

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I'm more upset about Moore. It's mindboggling. I surely thought he was the best hands in our division. Now I cringe when the ball goes toward him.

jeanpierre 10-01-2012 04:08 PM

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Think on this...

Last offseason, during the lockout, Brees and teammates scheduled, executed workouts in advance of other teams and with greater intensity, duration and the culmination was the greatest passing efforts in NFL history...

This offseason, Tom Condon through Drew Brees decided what is most important in this league is getting paid and for this, and among other reasons, we're sitting at 0-4...

capisce?!?

44Champs 10-01-2012 08:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by x626xBlack (Post 445363)
Are we now blaming dropped balls on a lack of Curtis Johnson?

What did the receivers do in College, High School, pop Warner with out CJ?

BS!

"They" are to blame for the balls "they" drop.

Than why even have a receivers coach to begin with? Players comtinue to improve their mental and physical skills even in the nfl, and a coach has a lot to do with that.

I agree that it's not CJ's fault that they are dropping balls - he can't catch for them. But i think he had a lot of influence on their performance.

The Dude 10-01-2012 08:49 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 44Champs (Post 445290)
Two words: Curtis Johnson
I don't think people gave him as much credit as he deserves. From 2006-2011, he basically developed a group of no-name receivers into one of the top units in the NFL. I think the impact that he had is much more obvious now that he's gone. I wish him the best at Tulane, but I wish he was still with the Saints.

I posted the same thread a couple weeks ago. I think you are dead on.

winmill1 10-01-2012 10:45 PM

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Yes it is the receivers fault. Lance Moore let 2 hit his pads and bounce off.this is standard knowledge. I mean Ellard isn't telling them to catch balls like that. It's one lack of fear of Sp when they come off the field. I am sure Moore would be benched for a q or a half if this was Payton in there. Or 2 lack of focus and practice reps.

MatthewT 10-01-2012 10:56 PM

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Everyone of these receivers were here last year, cannot blame Henry Ellard for any of this.


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