Is the Saints’ offense ruining Mark Ingram?:
 

Ingram played just 13 snaps on Sunday, producing a totally ineffective 11 yards rushing on five carries (he also had one catch for negative-1 yard). He seemed hesitant when he had the football, but is the Saints’ play-calling to blame? New Orleans ran 42 offensive plays on second, third or fourth down Sunday in Green Bay — only four were runs, and just one by Ingram. That’s way too predictable, and it helps explain why Ingram seems totally misused so far this season.

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Re: Is the Saints’ offense ruining Mark Ingram?:
 

agreed to an extent

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Preaching to the choir. IF any other member was used as Ingram has been used they would be about as productive.

If lance Moore only went in on plays where he ran an 10 and out, a defense would be shutting him down too.

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The irony in that... He is a guaranteed 2 yards nearly... 4th and 1.. We pass. 1/2/3 and goal on the 2 yard line, we pass.

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Even the announcers were like "well Ingram is in, they're running...". The guy has talent but it's just so obvious.

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And what happened when we finally play-actioned to Ingram? Bammm, over the top to Morgan for a zillion yard touchdown.

Where the hell is the TE in the seam or the quick slant when they're putting 8 in the box?

Re: Is the Saints’ offense ruining Mark Ingram?:
 

yes

Re: Is the Saints’ offense ruining Mark Ingram?:
 

Breaking down an NFL defense is like untying a knot in your kid's fishing rig...

you'll pull some back, pull some left, some right, some forward until you've got it unraveled...

Saints have just got to get all those outside weapons burning 'em, but we still are in need of some offensive tackles...

Conversely, our defense is more of a slip knot...

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That may be missing due to all of the batted balls lately. More than I have seen in recent years.

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Are the Saints ruining Mark Ingram? Yes.

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Look what Bush has been doing with the Dolphins. I been saying it for years that we can't run block. Ingram won't get the ball much and when he does 70% of the time it's a run.

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Bush and Ingram are two different type Rb's. PT and Ivory had no issues with our line... Miami's o-line is mediocre at best and not better than ours.

Bush was injury prone. Where is he this week? Game time decision.

It does not look like rivers is doing his thing this year based on stats.. Chargers 23rd in pasing.... 17th in rushing

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He was an after thought.........Payton promised his son he would get him and I think caved to pressure from his son after we chose Jordan. Seriously, he wasn't the right choice. He is more old school Payton era.....when he liked a power back and a finesse back.
When he was chosen Sproles wasn't in the mix yet and Ivory had injury issues. Now we have Cadet as well.
This cat needs 25 or more touches a game.
I love him and think that he is being misused and needs to be traded to a team where his value is relative. Ingram reminds me so much of Emmitt Smith.
Another bad first round choice for the Saints.

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I agree except... Dont trade him so he can get 25 touches against us in a game.

Let him sit in Ivorys place for a while.

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Gotta say that this question/comment has been bothering me since I read it today...

Finished tasks at work, went bowling, came in and saw the thread, again...

Well, this is my honest response...

Really Good and Great Players adapt and succeed regardless of the circumstances...

He needs to earn, warrant his selection as a first round pick and the extra pick it took to move up and get him...

While the previous post that he draws a crowd allowing play action pass is true, if he doesn't start tearing off 20 yard runs, opposing defenses will stop respecting his game...

Re: Is the Saints’ offense ruining Mark Ingram?:
 

I don't think it is ruining his career per say, but I think we are not using him in the right way. I have a feeling if he was on another team we would see a different player. Kind of like how Reggie is doing in Miami. I think it has something to do with rytem and the fact he does not get the snaps to get into a groove. He really isn't needed here. I have been reluctant to say that he was overrated or a "bust", but I think it might not have been smart to draft a back that wasn't really needed on this team

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well all know this, nothing new.

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Hate to say this but it would take someone going down to understand how good he can be. He can run screens, quite well in fact. He can also hit the corners hard and punish people. And if he gets through he will make people miss. That's probably his greatest strength, the ability to cut. I imagine he must be getting frustrated knowing what he can do and doing what they tell him to do.

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Original Question:

No, but if we keep utilizing Mark Ingram as he HAS been utilized, Mark Ingram will RUIN the New Orleans Saints.

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He won't ruin it. That's on the coach. What RB is going to have any success running the same exact couple of plays over and over. He ran lots of screens in college to perfection! What he didn't do well at is exactly what he's doing right now. Sound familar?

He had mad stats in college but running straight into a stout D-line like LSU he struggled. If the Saints continue to do that he won't be getting the 2 yard avg anymore. This is entirely on the coaches. I think they will address this the next few games.

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I dont 100% disagree, plus, in my opinion MI is the type of back that probably gets better with more carries. Our line hasn't opened a ton of holes, and the ones they do for PT is in part his skill, but also his dangerousness out of the backfield on screens.

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The answer to the OP is, no more than we ruined Bush.

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I do not agree, he already had a TD in that game and a 2 yard pass doesn't boost any records.

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Yes, especially when

A) Saints are on the 4 yard line w/ goal to go

B) Ingram average 2.5 YPC

DO THE MATH.

yet we passed three times using the excuse, "Brees was hot."

Ask any successful blackjack player or gambler about "getting hot" versus playing the statistics and they'll tell you that in the end, the statistics fail far less than a "hot streak" does.

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I am not sure what in sam hill you are talking about... I simply stated I do not think he was throwing to boost stats or effect records.

Brees is always "hot" when he is not running for his life.. His receivers hands... well that looks like hot potato lately.