Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper (Post 448619)

Jesus.. you kidding right?
Attempted murder is illegal.
Murder is illegal.
Hitting someone as hard as you can in a football game within the established rules and probably causing an injury is NOT ILLEGAL. That's the freaking game of football.

As for lack of injuries not disproving anything, how can you pay money for injuring someone, if no one gets injured?

But, it is my fault. I keep on typing and typing, and all I get back is "We know the organization and players wanted to injure players, otherwise people wouldn't be offering money to do it". I should have known better.

You just keep on posting pictures of Dunta Robinson's illegal hits and keep telling us how they aren't illegal.

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 448651)

Now you understand what I have put up with on the AFT board over these last seven months. Heck, Radical is one of the more rational among them.

Originally Posted by x626xBlack (Post 448543)

I agree on 1. Indifferent on 2.

#3 however.... "otherwise" has no place in this... My aunt didn't have balls, otherwise she would have been my uncle.

Have you played much of the game? At no level is dropping your head before a tackle coached, condoned, or legal. When you say he has done it numerous times, your are basically saying he has attempted to spear numerous times.

Dropping your head before contact is a recipe for spinal injury, broken neck, missing a tackle because you took your eyes off the ball carrier. Dropping the head is using the helmet as a weapon, regardless of where it strikes or if the pads hit first. Its spearing and there is no way around that.

Argue this point: I will bet you he doesn't drop his head in practice when he tackles.... Because he has a different intent in practice than he does in a game. If he dropped his head in practice for a tackle someone would whip his ass.

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper (Post 448619)

Jesus.. you kidding right?
Attempted murder is illegal.
Murder is illegal.
Hitting someone as hard as you can in a football game within the established rules and probably causing an injury is NOT ILLEGAL. That's the freaking game of football.

As for lack of injuries not disproving anything, how can you pay money for injuring someone, if no one gets injured?

But, it is my fault. I keep on typing and typing, and all I get back is "We know the organization and players wanted to injure players, otherwise people wouldn't be offering money to do it". I should have known better.

You just keep on posting pictures of Dunta Robinson's illegal hits and keep telling us how they aren't illegal.

Originally Posted by Radical (Post 448727)

Were the Saints not paying for "cart-offs?" If you're putting up money for injuries, that's showing intent, and just because they may not have succeeded in causing injuries, doesn't mean they cannot be punished for displaying intent to do so.

Never said that Dunta's hits weren't illegal, but it is a fact that he did not launch. Outside of clipping Maclin's chin, both hits were illegal because he was called for hitting a defenseless receiver, which I've already explained that I think it's a BS rule that can't be effectively coached.

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 448741)

"Cartoff" was a term used by Gregg Williams to mean a player that missed a play because of a hard legal hit. This has been supported by Vitt and several other players.

Once again, open your totally closed mind and realize that they were not putting up money for injuries. They were putting up money as a part of the overall pay for performance plan, that reward for large hits that could cause a player to miss a play or even the rest of the game. It specifically stated that it had to be a legal hit (upon review from the league) and not result in a penalty by that player or any other on the same play. It also was dependent upon them winning the game.

Originally Posted by Radical (Post 448755)

Well Mitch says that cart-off was never used, but your very post says it. "Large hit that caused a player to miss a play or even the rest of thee game." That's paying for injuring other players, hence the punishments.

Originally Posted by Radical (Post 448725)

I've seem him do the exact move in practice, albeit rarely. It is poor form and dumb on his part, but when he connects cleanly it's always a shoulder tackle. I wouldn't be arguing this if I hadn't seen Dunta do that exact move many times to different ball carriers and it always result in a shoulder tackle.