Will the return of Joe Vitt bring energy back to the New Orleans Saints?
 

There was no doubt some magic was in the air last Sunday when the New Orleans Saints faced the San Diego Chargers. It may have been because it was a home game or that quarterback Drew Brees was poised to break Johnny Unitas’ consecutive passing touchdown record. But was it something or better yet someone else?

The suspended trio of head coach Sean Payton, linebackers coach Joe Vitt, and general manager Mickey Loomis were also in the building thanks to the plea from Brees to the NFL in order to let them attend the record setting night.

Will the return of Joe Vitt bring energy back to the New Orleans Saints?

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What Vitt is going to bring, I hope, is stability in the o-line, because Kromer will be able to give his undivided attention to the o-line.

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I don't see how it can hurt. It could get the team a little excited to have one of their coaches back, and as Tobias-Reiper just said, it allows Kromer to concentrate on the O-linie.

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Our defensive problems were mostly blowing assignments, not a lack of energy.

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The press conferences will have much more potential than those State Department press releases by Kromer...

Plus, the defense has had more time in the Spagnulo System...

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Whatever they are or are not, they are nearly historic in their suckage.

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BRING BACK SOME MEMORIES ON DO UR JOB

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I have no idea how the linebackers coach will be better at head coach than the o-line coach.

Tobias_Reipier is right, if it adds another person to staff to help manage an already depleted coaching team, then that's great. Will Vitt replace Kromer, I have no idea.

Remember, Vitt has said time and again he's no head coach.

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We are going on a 12 game tear and beat the Falcons in the playoffs. Hell screw the 11 game tear, I just want to sweep the Falcons at this point. We beat Tampa twice the year they went to the SB, we can do it again. Not that the Falcons are going to make it past round 1.

Joe has been an AHC before plus he has coached nearly every defensive position (LB/FS/SS/CB) with the exception of the D front 4.

I am going to go out on a limb here and say we would use a little help in just about everything he is experienced in.

If your looking for a Sean Payton keep looking. If you are looking for someone that may can bridge a bunch of gaps, Joe is your man.

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What I hope Vitt brings that Kromer lacks, is passion on the sideline. Yelling at refs, players, coaches. Kromer shows about as much emotion as Keanu Reeves. Through the first 4 weeks that was the one thing I noticed was different on the sideline and it affected our play.

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I think Vitt will add some support and stabilize the team a bit. Whatever happens one thing I'm sure of this is gonna be long season.

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I have been riding the Joe Vitt Train since it was first announced. Heck, I'm in the cab shoveling coal into the furnace, right now, because it's practically the only shot we have left. To me, the real season starts on the field in Denver.

This is a common misconception that I have been hearing people say a lot, as if Joe Vitt is just another not-ready-for-prime-time assistant coach like Kromer, that everything will just continue bumbling and stumbling along like it has been, when Vitt comes back...and it's just plain wrong to think that.

Joe Vitt is ASSISTANT HEAD COACH, not just the linebackers coach. That means he has seniority over anyone else in the organization besides Payton...seniority means if he says "jump," they ALL say "how high?"...if he chews out Spags or Carmichael, or Kromer, a player, or anybody else, they HAVE to listen to him. If Kromer chews out Spags about a mistake on D, what do you think happens?

Vitt has been here since day one of Payton, and knows more of the "What would Sean Payton do?" answers than anyone else in the organization. And he has had a lot more to do with what goes on behind the scenes, with getting the team ready for games, than many people realize. To me this first part of the season was all just some bizarre extended preseason, that unfortunately counts.

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Put it this way...If Vitt wasn't a vital part of this team...he wouldn't have been suspended for 6 games. Goodell took away the LEADERS of the team. Vitt has been here since SP. SP trusts him with EVERYTHING. He knows every in and out of this organization. Believe me if Goodell didn't think Vitt would make a difference helping these guys win...he wouldn't be sitting home right now waiting to be reinstated for the Denver game.

It is going to make a difference. He will have control. Kromer does not command respect or dispaly the leadership that SP or Vitt because he's just a OLine coach...everyone he's trying to lead has seniority over him...thats difficult to control. No on but SP has seniority over Vitt and everyone in that facitlity knows it. And there will be accountability.

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Ill try to over simplify Joe Vitts role when he returns. For the sake of this argument "x" is what ever job you want it to be.

I run into this a lot in corporate America. Someone has done x for so long, at such a high level, that upper management automatically assumes he can manage people doing x. You need the guy gifted at doing x to do x and the guy that is gifted at managing to manage the guys doing x.

Kromer or Carmichael being gifted at doing x does not make them managers of people... as we have seen. They lack the leadership, motivational skill sets, and team building skill sets required to pull this all together.

Vitt is the guy that is experienced (well more than the rest of the crew) in managing the niche talents that is our coaching staff.. Will he have Sean Payton's panache or level of skill.. No, if Vitt did he would be a HC somewhere else, but he is familiar and has done it before. Vitt will be the glue that pulls it all together. Vitt is a very direct and very dry personality, that transparency builds trust.

Example of how greatness at x does not make you a leader and manager of men: Mike Singletary knows the game but not how to manage the players... thus his failure at Head Coach.

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I'm hoping he starts a "Vitt Pit" so any player that completely freaks up their assignment must face a wild mob of Philly fans while in a caged pit. Some say it's inhumane. I say it's just motivation.

No, but on a serious note, I think he will add stability which is definitely needed.

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I think he will add energy which is what we need most. We have 11 more games and we can still lose 3 and shoot for a wild card. We beat Tampa and stay healthy and it's on.

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Vitt doesn't want the responsibilities of being a head coach. I can see the stress in his eyes even though he plays it cool.
Vitt is capable of being a head coach and that is what we need right now.

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He's also the one who fires disgruntled ex-employees, who then can make a bunch of **** up, and threaten to blackmail the team for $2 Million dollars, so what's your point Mike. The Geoff Santini Vicodin crap got thrown out of court, my friend. In case you were not aware. Thrown. Out. Of. Court.

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Does trolling give you a boner or something?

We've had a couple of you guys come through lately- it's weird, your team finally doesn't look like a total piece of **** and you feel like you deserve to go and rag on somebody elses that's down (for now). Savor the flavor sir because you know as well as I do that when Payton gets back the ass whippings will continue as before.

Oh yeah, 2 POINTS. FALCONS SUCK, GO SAINTS

We're in your head

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That would be you. Some people keep thinking you are a Falcons fan, and even though I know better than that, I don't blame them at all for thinking it.

OK. I am already quite familiar with the Santini lawsuit, thank you. My question for you is -- was the Santini lawsuit settled IN court, or out of court. It's yes or no, in or out, it can only be one or the other. Just answer the question son...If the Saints invoked the clause to settle it out of court, then that means it was OUT OF COURT. That means that legally, it was not a matter to be settled IN court, the court proceedings were started IN the court and then they were taken OUT of the court, and the JUDGE agreed to it and TOLD them to do it. Are you following this? Are you keeping up?

The lawsuit started in court, the Saints requested it go to arbitration and the judge AGREED -- the judge basically said the Saints legal team is RIGHT, Santini's legal team is WRONG, take this case to arbitration and GO AWAY. Get this thing OUT OF COURT. Santini wanted to keep going in court -- was there for two weeks and wanted to push for that $2 million payday-- and the judge said NO, don't do this here, this is a matter for arbitration not court. Follow me? THAT is called being thrown out of court, whether you like it or not, my friend.

Of course we don't know what happened from there. You can spin it however you like, "where there's smoke there's fire" -- I know you get a boner for wanting Payton and Vitt to be guilty of something, anything, just so you can troll and be a Big Man, but it ain't that simple, my friend. There are entrapment and consent and interpretation issues in play, with the Santini lawsuit, and your boy had the same problems at the FBI, when he "got" Edwards.... which was a good thing.... but one of the things that made "getting" Edwards so difficult and took so many years, that made the case so complex and difficult for a jury trial, was that your boy played fast and loose with the law and with interpreting the content of conversations, and he liked to play in gray areas of what's admissable in court (ie getting a warrant for wiretapping in one place and then tape recording the suspect in another place), and a bunch of stuff too difficult to get into here.

We don't know what happened, you can believe whatever story or cut-and-paste article you want, knock yourself out bro, but pretending that something being settled out of court automatically means someone is guilty is kind of a bogus way of thinking, IMHO.

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I hope he brings back the "Play the Best Player" philosophy, cause it ain't happening right now with Ivory not playing, Johnny Patrick not playing and Ingram, Patrick Robinson and White all playing.

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Here is some spin for you.... Who Cares? Your comments have nothing to do with the thread title and you come off like you are holding a grudge or you are bitter about something. Other than you bringing it up I don't recall seeing any Vicodin issue in the news lately.What does Vicodin have to do with Vitt coming in and bringing some needed leadership to the team? Why not just call the Saints Cheaters and Vilma a liar? At least it would be a little more relevant.

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Kindly edit your post to a few lines and a few links so we can go there and read more if we care to. If you quote... You link back.

Mobile users do not care to thumb scroll for 10 minutes.

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No.

Coming to another team's forum, thread-jacking, and trolling are juvenile acts. Whatever thrill this gives you, please go to some other team's forum to get your kicks.

The Chargers have been found to be using a banned substance on the sidelines, so go over to their web-site and spew your negativity.

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"I disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" - François-Marie Arouet (aka Voltaire)

I don't care if you're a Fan of the Falcons, Lions, Chargers, Broncos, et cetera this is the United States of American and even if this is the Black and Gold and it should reflect American Values, especially Freedom of Speech which is why we're even still fighting this Goodell Gate BS...

That Said...

Could users please stick to the F*CKING TOPIC THREAD!

DON'T start fifteen multiple threads, just look, there are plenty of threads on Goodell's BountyGate and take it there...

The question IS "Will the return of Joe Vitt bring energy back to the New Orleans Saints?"

And as this question was asked on an earlier thread, I'll repost what I think'll happen when Coach Vitt will bring to a game situation...

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The only thing I'll add is I'm hapy Joe Vitt is back. Not where we wanted to be 2-4 but its certainly better than 0-6.
Things are only looking better each week and I hope he gets things moving.
I also see having Joe Vitt back as HC basiclly I see us getting O Line coach back aswell.

Looking forward to the next few weeks. Our run has already started...