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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; I said this once before in a very ridiculously long tl;dr post, but my gut tells me that we are seeing some kind of weird hybrid "unfinished" thing with Mark Ingram in this offense...that this "1.9 yards and a cloud ...

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Old 10-23-2012, 07:53 AM   #1
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Re: Ingram, what's wrong.

I said this once before in a very ridiculously long tl;dr post, but my gut tells me that we are seeing some kind of weird hybrid "unfinished" thing with Mark Ingram in this offense...that this "1.9 yards and a cloud of dust" over and over ISN'T what Payton wanted from him, or had in mind for him, but Payton didn't get to install it or figure it out or communicate it to Carmichael before the suspension....this CAN'T be what Payton had in mind for him, it looks like a completely different team out there whenever Ingram is in the game...it's just screwy.
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Old 10-23-2012, 08:01 AM   #2
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Re: Ingram, what's wrong.

I think someone mentioned it already.
We have too many running backs, and not enough carries to go aroubnd when we have the best QB in the game throwing it 45+ times a game.
I don't expect 100 yard days from any of our guys, but the run game has to be good enough for them to fear it to open up play action
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Old 10-23-2012, 08:21 AM   #3
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Ingram can not do what Ivory can do between the tackles, and Ivory can not do what Thomas does in open space... and because Ingram is a square peg they are trying to drive into a round hole we are still not sure exactly what he can do in the NFL... its not his fault. Then there is the Cadet who dresses and has yet to touch the ball...

Piss poor use of the tools at hand.
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Old 10-23-2012, 08:48 AM   #4
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We need to use him more on shotgun sets where it's 50-50 run vs pass.
Let him stay in as a blocker a couple times, let him catch a couple swing passes then let him take a delayed hand off. We have to mix it up with him in the game not just run up the gut. And by the way on the goal line stop, the Bucs tried to run behind Nicks twice and it didn't work.
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Old 10-23-2012, 10:36 AM   #5
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His pass blocking is no better than Ivory's, case in point look at the Chargers game, he went outside to chip the DE while the S was blitzing. Totally missed the blitzer, Brees got hit, fumbled the ball and Ingram was lucky to be in the right place at the right time to pick up that fumble to save his poor play. We need to bring the hammer when we run the ball and that means activating Ivory. Fumbling in practice and fumbling in a game are two different things and I think Ivory knows that is why he's not being activated and I think he will take care of the ball if given the chance.
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Originally Posted by Marlboro Man View Post
His pass blocking is no better than Ivory's, .
Yes, it is.
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Originally Posted by Marlboro Man View Post
His pass blocking is no better than Ivory's
Man i respectfully beg to differ
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krommer needs a run blocking retool. we have to change something.
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krommer needs a run blocking retool. we have to change something.
This may be something that Kromer just hasn't been able to work on enough due to time constraints, given whatever added responsibilities he had to nail down as IHC. Hopefully we see a little bit of a change moving forward now that Khrome should have a little more time w his boys.

Either way, I'd like to see Chris Ivory given a chance to make something happen in a game. If he fumbles, so be it, take your ass back to the bench, you had your chance. But if he doesn't and we find a 'tween the tackles runner who can operate with a degree of success, Ingram, as talented as he may be, could find himself as the odd man out.
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Old 10-23-2012, 01:26 PM   #10
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Re: Ingram, what's wrong.

Well we all are making good points about him. I can see it from both sides. But they said they needed to run him in the Bucs game. Then they didn't, we will never know as the real reason I guess.
But they need to do something with him, we need to feature him and work his butt off. Not just this up the middle crap for 3 yards or less.
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