Ingram, what's wrong.

pinch · 10-22-2012, 08:20 PM

I'm not sure that Ingram every had any ground to lose. I've only seen him run one very impressive play where he showed vision, and that was in a pre-season game this year. I'm hoping for the best but I think that was a bum pick, made even worse by the fact that we traded up.

bobdog86 · 10-22-2012, 08:24 PM

Square peg round hole. Drew probably wouldn't have done well at the Air Force Academy either. I don't think our current system will ever fit him and I think the competition knows that. He needs to be in a place like Pittsburgh.

Beastmode · 10-22-2012, 08:35 PM

He tripped over his own feet on one run yesterday that was going to be a nice gain. Gotta take advantage of those opportunities. If he breaks that one for 20 yards we are probably not having this conversation.

MatthewT · 10-22-2012, 08:47 PM

One problem I see is the Saints are trying to use Mark Ingram in about the same role they used Deuce McAllister, to a degree. Ingram is a 215lb back, McAllister was listed at around 230, more likely around 250. McAllister simply did not go down easy and got his yards. Ingram is tough as nails, but seriously doesn't really have the bulk to be a short down power back. But like most running backs, gotta give the man the ball in order to get going. Until/if the Saints find a way to get Ingram the ball around 20 times per game, we should all refrain from judgment.

Beastmode · 10-23-2012, 08:43 AM

Originally Posted by MatthewT

One problem I see is the Saints are trying to use Mark Ingram in about the same role they used Deuce McAllister, to a degree. Ingram is a 215lb back, McAllister was listed at around 230, more likely around 250. McAllister simply did not go down easy and got his yards. Ingram is tough as nails, but seriously doesn't really have the bulk to be a short down power back. But like most running backs, gotta give the man the ball in order to get going. Until/if the Saints find a way to get Ingram the ball around 20 times per game, we should all refrain from judgment.

Ingram has also stated that he is not that kind of RB. Can't remember where I read it but he said something to that effect. They compare him to Emmitt Smith but Smith was actually smaller and for much of his career had the Moose. Even he will admit, much of his success was directly due to that tandem.

I've seen enough to know Ingram will contunie to get small gains unless something changes. Probably not going to get help with a FB but direct snaps, flee flickers...I would like to see them at least try some other options. Getting a dedicated O-line coach should help some but I'm not holding my breath.

blackangold · 10-22-2012, 09:14 PM

lets see what happens when we get our line coach back

lumm0x · 10-22-2012, 09:18 PM

On another note, I saw a play Sunday where we passed the ball with Ingram in the game and got a nice gain out of it. Defense never saw it coming.

While I agree, it is hard to grade our backs because none of them get a decent enough amount of touches to properly analyze, Pierre and Sproles give us our best screen options and as general receivers and each run as good as Ingram. He's depth and nothing more.

lynwood · 10-22-2012, 09:39 PM

What gets me is we have 5 RB's and we don't know how to use them or Block for them.

jeanpierre · 10-23-2012, 04:12 AM

Originally Posted by lynwood

What gets me is we have 5 RB's and we don't know how to use them or Block for them.

Maybe one less RB and one better offensive lineman?

Maybe with Aaron Kromer relieved of his HC responsibilities he'll find some improvements to make in the OL play...

UK_WhoDat · 10-23-2012, 05:49 AM

Originally Posted by lynwood

What gets me is we have 5 RB's and we don't know how to use them or Block for them.

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Maybe one less RB and one better offensive lineman?....

+1

10-22-2012, 08:20 PM	#1
pinch 100th Post Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Diamondhead, MS Posts: 272 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Ingram, what's wrong. I'm not sure that Ingram every had any ground to lose. I've only seen him run one very impressive play where he showed vision, and that was in a pre-season game this year. I'm hoping for the best but I think that was a bum pick, made even worse by the fact that we traded up.

10-22-2012, 08:24 PM	#2
bobdog86 Site Donor Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Washington State Posts: 1,487	Re: Ingram, what's wrong. Square peg round hole. Drew probably wouldn't have done well at the Air Force Academy either. I don't think our current system will ever fit him and I think the competition knows that. He needs to be in a place like Pittsburgh. Ashley likes this.

10-22-2012, 08:35 PM	#3
Beastmode 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 9,126	Re: Ingram, what's wrong. He tripped over his own feet on one run yesterday that was going to be a nice gain. Gotta take advantage of those opportunities. If he breaks that one for 20 yards we are probably not having this conversation.
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10-22-2012, 08:47 PM	#4
MatthewT 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 2,729	Re: Ingram, what's wrong. One problem I see is the Saints are trying to use Mark Ingram in about the same role they used Deuce McAllister, to a degree. Ingram is a 215lb back, McAllister was listed at around 230, more likely around 250. McAllister simply did not go down easy and got his yards. Ingram is tough as nails, but seriously doesn't really have the bulk to be a short down power back. But like most running backs, gotta give the man the ball in order to get going. Until/if the Saints find a way to get Ingram the ball around 20 times per game, we should all refrain from judgment. Budsdrinker and Rugby Saint II like this.

10-23-2012, 08:43 AM	#5
Beastmode 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 9,126	Re: Ingram, what's wrong. Originally Posted by MatthewT One problem I see is the Saints are trying to use Mark Ingram in about the same role they used Deuce McAllister, to a degree. Ingram is a 215lb back, McAllister was listed at around 230, more likely around 250. McAllister simply did not go down easy and got his yards. Ingram is tough as nails, but seriously doesn't really have the bulk to be a short down power back. But like most running backs, gotta give the man the ball in order to get going. Until/if the Saints find a way to get Ingram the ball around 20 times per game, we should all refrain from judgment. Ingram has also stated that he is not that kind of RB. Can't remember where I read it but he said something to that effect. They compare him to Emmitt Smith but Smith was actually smaller and for much of his career had the Moose. Even he will admit, much of his success was directly due to that tandem. I've seen enough to know Ingram will contunie to get small gains unless something changes. Probably not going to get help with a FB but direct snaps, flee flickers...I would like to see them at least try some other options. Getting a dedicated O-line coach should help some but I'm not holding my breath.
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10-22-2012, 09:14 PM	#6
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Ingram, what's wrong. lets see what happens when we get our line coach back

10-22-2012, 09:18 PM	#7
lumm0x Resident antediluvian Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,026	Re: Ingram, what's wrong. On another note, I saw a play Sunday where we passed the ball with Ingram in the game and got a nice gain out of it. Defense never saw it coming. While I agree, it is hard to grade our backs because none of them get a decent enough amount of touches to properly analyze, Pierre and Sproles give us our best screen options and as general receivers and each run as good as Ingram. He's depth and nothing more.

10-22-2012, 09:39 PM	#8
lynwood 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Hockley, Tx Posts: 1,515	Re: Ingram, what's wrong. What gets me is we have 5 RB's and we don't know how to use them or Block for them. bobdog86 likes this.

10-23-2012, 04:12 AM	#9
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Ingram, what's wrong. Originally Posted by lynwood What gets me is we have 5 RB's and we don't know how to use them or Block for them. Maybe one less RB and one better offensive lineman? Maybe with Aaron Kromer relieved of his HC responsibilities he'll find some improvements to make in the OL play...

10-23-2012, 05:49 AM	#10
UK_WhoDat 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Wherever I lay my hat Posts: 4,004	Re: Ingram, what's wrong. Originally Posted by lynwood What gets me is we have 5 RB's and we don't know how to use them or Block for them. Originally Posted by jeanpierre Maybe one less RB and one better offensive lineman?.... +1

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